Everything pagan was written down by Christian monks as a preservation of cultural heritage. It's our duty to our ancestors to learn and appreciate it.
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If it's Christian, then can you show where it is in Scripture? Same with Christmas.
To be fair, scripture doesn't elucidate all truth or explain all things. The infinite nature of God and truth would make the endeavor impossible, and isn't the purpose of scripture in the first place.
i don't think Christian holidays have to be some sort of unspoken Bible lore that only the wise are privy to for us to acknowledge that they're generally good to have around and use to bring people together. if anything, claiming that is how you get heresies brewing when people decide they know better than the Bible or even what God Himself said in the form of Jesus.
if anything again, the only reason schisms even exist is because every denomination decided non-Biblical matters of practice and methodology are the way to salvation. Jesus Christ told us clearly the way to God is through Him, but the Orthodox think you go to hell if you don't enter a church and listen to very specific words, the Catholic think the Orthodox are going to hell for not entering their church and telling a priest what they did wrong, and the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
if anything again, the only reason schisms even exist is because every denomination decided non-Biblical matters of practice and methodology are the way to salvation. Jesus Christ told us clearly the way to God is through Him, but the Orthodox think you go to hell if you don't enter a church and listen to very specific words, the Catholic think the Orthodox are going to hell for not entering their church and telling a priest what they did wrong, and the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
> the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that
This one is biblical IIRC, and was removed by jews from their edits of the bible (and thus it just disappeared with no explanation, unlike other edits for translation or whatever). Good post in general though.
@Tallest_Skil IIRC has cites for a few passages removed from the bible without explanation.
This one is biblical IIRC, and was removed by jews from their edits of the bible (and thus it just disappeared with no explanation, unlike other edits for translation or whatever). Good post in general though.
@Tallest_Skil IIRC has cites for a few passages removed from the bible without explanation.
Nice to see one of my favorite effort-posters is still around.
It's u/TallestSkil to ping on here, by the way. @ is for the Arete network, iirc. There were actually a few interesting threads on here that I wanted to ping you in, but I keep forgetting the correct spelling of your username. I keep forgetting there's a dash in there and it's not "aleleopathic".
It's u/TallestSkil to ping on here, by the way. @ is for the Arete network, iirc. There were actually a few interesting threads on here that I wanted to ping you in, but I keep forgetting the correct spelling of your username. I keep forgetting there's a dash in there and it's not "aleleopathic".
Ahh noted, thanks. If you happen to have saved any of them, I'd still love to see whatever you care to share. I had to take a breather a while back when things got a bit too stale for my tastes.
I still write, but it's mostly for my own study these days. I guess I stopped posting when I started to doubt how many of 'the old crew' (or just actual people in general) were still here.
I still write, but it's mostly for my own study these days. I guess I stopped posting when I started to doubt how many of 'the old crew' (or just actual people in general) were still here.
Well said. Man is fallible and prone to evil, why would the men who claim to speak for God be immune to this?
>the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
What’s interesting is that modern English “translations” of the Bible explicitly omit salvation from baptism.
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
Whereas the King James says…
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
Their justification is “Verse 37 wasn’t in earlier manuscripts, therefore *we’re* not the ones modifying the text!” The problem with that is… where *is* salvation then, if not in Christ? And why does the rest of the book say nothing like this?
What’s interesting is that modern English “translations” of the Bible explicitly omit salvation from baptism.
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
Whereas the King James says…
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
Their justification is “Verse 37 wasn’t in earlier manuscripts, therefore *we’re* not the ones modifying the text!” The problem with that is… where *is* salvation then, if not in Christ? And why does the rest of the book say nothing like this?
interesting... although i wouldn't say verse 37 is hidden. biblegateway's NIV which is probably result 1 of any Bible search online has it as a footnote, which is very visible by the time you're reading 36 and 38. strange that they choose to omit it from the main text (especially by literally just blanking the verse) but i don't think there's been any cover-up, just pedantry about which early manuscript had what.
True enough. I was only mentioning the larger point which I see far too many Christians fail on. They think they need everything laid out for them in scripture, to determine if it's true. Jesus showed us how to determine veracity, by judging the fruits of it. If something is true, it leads to success, efficiency, victory, community, improvement, safety, abundance, fecundity, life, and continuation. If something is false, it leads to the opposite. This is also how we can correctly interpret scripture, to determine if an interpretation is true or false. Does it lead to good fruits, or bad fruits? If the disagreement is small, it may take generations to measure.
This is how many modern Christians err. They cede all of creation, and the truth in creation, to atheists and satanists, thinking that scripture is the only work of God. Creation is the greater work of God, an what God points to when showing His divinity (see book of Job).
This is how many modern Christians err. They cede all of creation, and the truth in creation, to atheists and satanists, thinking that scripture is the only work of God. Creation is the greater work of God, an what God points to when showing His divinity (see book of Job).
Can you show me a definitive list of which books belong in scripture, in scripture?
I can refer you to this https://christogenea.org/podcasts/bible-discussion/biblical-exegesis-revisited
So that'll be a no, then
Your question is irrelevant to the topic. You can search that site if you really want.
funny how ignorant a lot of people are about things like this.
Even the whole goth/satanism aesthetic is hijacked Catholic "Memento Mori", roughly translated: "remember you must die".
Contemplating death/remembering you are mortal makes you ponder the present, prioritize what matters, live with purpose, and find peace and acceptance.
Memento Mori is even in the bible.
Even the whole goth/satanism aesthetic is hijacked Catholic "Memento Mori", roughly translated: "remember you must die".
Contemplating death/remembering you are mortal makes you ponder the present, prioritize what matters, live with purpose, and find peace and acceptance.
Memento Mori is even in the bible.
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When Christianity spread, the Church often incorporated local pagan festivals rather than eliminating them. That’s why All Saints’ Day (Nov 1) and All Souls’ Day (Nov 2) were established — merging spiritual remembrance with familiar traditions.
Over time, traditions evolved into trick-or-treating, jack-o’-lanterns, and costumes, blending Celtic, Christian, and later American influences."
The key is leaning back into its original meaning, as some clearly do honor the dark side rather than expel it.
For one, the celts weren't monolithic and didn't have a common religion or calender, nor was Samhain a Celtic holiday. The Irish god Lugh wasn't worshiped anywhere but Ireland, as there are zero mentions of him in any of the Celtic provinces of Rome, including Britain, Gaul, Germania, etc. Samhain, likewise was not celebrated anywhere except Ireland and in areas of heavy Irish migration. Samhain was an Irish holiday, not some significant pan-celtic feast day that convinced the Catholic Church to modify its calender for all of Europe.
Samhain was not religious in nature, by all the evidence we have. Could there have been some religious stuff going on? Sure, it's possible; but we have no record or evidence of those things. As far as we know, it was just a harvest festival. 'Samhain' literally just means "summers end." The Irish Christians who wrote about Samhain were so far removed from Samhain that they didn't even know what sort of things it entailed, other than feasting and partying. In fact, most of the religious ideas people today commonly associate with Samhain were actually part of Beltane, an *early* summer festival that we DO have evidence of.
The dead walking the earth and being commemorated and communed with during Samhain is totally fabricated, as the pagan Irish believed in reincarnation. There's no point commemorating the dead or trying to talk to spirits if they're simply walking around in another body. It wasn't even their new year festival, as the only surviving pre-christain celtic calender we have (from france) puts their new year at the winter solstice, not November 1st. We don't even have a pre-Christian Irish calender. Sir John Rhys just made that shit up based on *contemporary* Welsh and Irish folklore.
Praying for the dead was entirely Christian in origin, and all of the modern Halloween traditions are related to that. Christians began celebrating what would become all saints day in the 300's AD. Originally, it was for all Roman martyrs, and was held in May. Within a hundred years, every region of the church was celebrating the same thing at various times of year: Easter week, week after Pentecost, (Ireland was April 20th), etc. The pope set it to May for the whole church in the 7th century. By the 8th century, Germany has a local tradition of celebrating it November 1, and the pope set that as the standard for the whole church. It wasn't in response to Samhain, as the Germans didn't celebrate it, and the Irish didn't even associate it with all saints. All souls day was added in the middle ages as a reminder that those in purgatory need our intercessory prayers.
Bon fires came from Catholics praying in the countryside because they were banned from worshipping by the protestants. It is normal for Catholics to light a candle at a shrine when praying for the dead. The bon fire was a stand in when candles and shrines were made illegal.
Costumes came from Christian danse macabre and masquerade tradition, signifying the universality of the last four things: death, judgement, and heaven or hell. Souling, likewise, descends from danse macabre troupes.
Some of the Celtic rituals were "right" and some were wrong. Samhain was right. Obviously Christians couldn't build an entire global system from the ground up. There has been a survival of the fittest for rituals
You can tell we live under jew rule because every holiday has been subverted to where the goyim are cattle feeding at the consumerism trough
I think everyone here can at least agree on that.
Because they invariably fall on dates with astrological significance. While people aften point to the Bible as the ultimate arbiter of God's word (and it *is* important), it's important to remember that the physical universe is a *direct* expression of God's Will; nothing at odds with it can be Good.