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i don't think Christian holidays have to be some sort of unspoken Bible lore that only the wise are privy to for us to acknowledge that they're generally good to have around and use to bring people together. if anything, claiming that is how you get heresies brewing when people decide they know better than the Bible or even what God Himself said in the form of Jesus.
if anything again, the only reason schisms even exist is because every denomination decided non-Biblical matters of practice and methodology are the way to salvation. Jesus Christ told us clearly the way to God is through Him, but the Orthodox think you go to hell if you don't enter a church and listen to very specific words, the Catholic think the Orthodox are going to hell for not entering their church and telling a priest what they did wrong, and the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
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> the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that
This one is biblical IIRC, and was removed by jews from their edits of the bible (and thus it just disappeared with no explanation, unlike other edits for translation or whatever). Good post in general though.
@Tallest_Skil IIRC has cites for a few passages removed from the bible without explanation.
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Nice to see one of my favorite effort-posters is still around.
It's u/TallestSkil to ping on here, by the way. @ is for the Arete network, iirc. There were actually a few interesting threads on here that I wanted to ping you in, but I keep forgetting the correct spelling of your username. I keep forgetting there's a dash in there and it's not "aleleopathic".
Ahh noted, thanks. If you happen to have saved any of them, I'd still love to see whatever you care to share. I had to take a breather a while back when things got a bit too stale for my tastes.
I still write, but it's mostly for my own study these days. I guess I stopped posting when I started to doubt how many of 'the old crew' (or just actual people in general) were still here.
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>the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
What’s interesting is that modern English “translations” of the Bible explicitly omit salvation from baptism.
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
Whereas the King James says…
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
Their justification is “Verse 37 wasn’t in earlier manuscripts, therefore *we’re* not the ones modifying the text!” The problem with that is… where *is* salvation then, if not in Christ? And why does the rest of the book say nothing like this?
interesting... although i wouldn't say verse 37 is hidden. biblegateway's NIV which is probably result 1 of any Bible search online has it as a footnote, which is very visible by the time you're reading 36 and 38. strange that they choose to omit it from the main text (especially by literally just blanking the verse) but i don't think there's been any cover-up, just pedantry about which early manuscript had what.
A verse you cannot access if you buy a certain Bible is “not hidden”? A verse being removed that contains the *sole purpose of the gospel* is “not a coverup”?
True enough. I was only mentioning the larger point which I see far too many Christians fail on. They think they need everything laid out for them in scripture, to determine if it's true. Jesus showed us how to determine veracity, by judging the fruits of it. If something is true, it leads to success, efficiency, victory, community, improvement, safety, abundance, fecundity, life, and continuation. If something is false, it leads to the opposite. This is also how we can correctly interpret scripture, to determine if an interpretation is true or false. Does it lead to good fruits, or bad fruits? If the disagreement is small, it may take generations to measure.
This is how many modern Christians err. They cede all of creation, and the truth in creation, to atheists and satanists, thinking that scripture is the only work of God. Creation is the greater work of God, an what God points to when showing His divinity (see book of Job).
if anything again, the only reason schisms even exist is because every denomination decided non-Biblical matters of practice and methodology are the way to salvation. Jesus Christ told us clearly the way to God is through Him, but the Orthodox think you go to hell if you don't enter a church and listen to very specific words, the Catholic think the Orthodox are going to hell for not entering their church and telling a priest what they did wrong, and the Baptists think everyone who doesn't dunk himself in water is going to hell. i don't remember Jesus saying any of that, but here we are.
This one is biblical IIRC, and was removed by jews from their edits of the bible (and thus it just disappeared with no explanation, unlike other edits for translation or whatever). Good post in general though.
@Tallest_Skil IIRC has cites for a few passages removed from the bible without explanation.
It's u/TallestSkil to ping on here, by the way. @ is for the Arete network, iirc. There were actually a few interesting threads on here that I wanted to ping you in, but I keep forgetting the correct spelling of your username. I keep forgetting there's a dash in there and it's not "aleleopathic".
I still write, but it's mostly for my own study these days. I guess I stopped posting when I started to doubt how many of 'the old crew' (or just actual people in general) were still here.
What’s interesting is that modern English “translations” of the Bible explicitly omit salvation from baptism.
> “As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, ‘Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?’ And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.” **~ New International Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “And as they were going along the road they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘See, here is water! What prevents me from being baptized?’ And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.” **~ American Standard Version**; Acts 8:36 & 38
> “As they rode along, they came to some water, and the eunuch said, ‘Look! There’s some water! Why can’t I be baptized?’ He ordered the carriage to stop, and they went down into the water, and Philip baptized him.” **~ New Living Translation**; Acts 8:36 & 38
Whereas the King James says…
> “And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.” **~ King James Version**; Acts 8:36-38
Their justification is “Verse 37 wasn’t in earlier manuscripts, therefore *we’re* not the ones modifying the text!” The problem with that is… where *is* salvation then, if not in Christ? And why does the rest of the book say nothing like this?
This is how many modern Christians err. They cede all of creation, and the truth in creation, to atheists and satanists, thinking that scripture is the only work of God. Creation is the greater work of God, an what God points to when showing His divinity (see book of Job).