You need a specialized high speed camera to reliably catch a bullet on film, it's a rare fluke to see one on regular video. I suspect they misidentified the rifle, that was clearly a much less powerful round than 30-06.
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Yeah, I heard the gunshot on the video and my first impression was a .22. I am not an expert.
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I mean, it was his grandfather's rifle, right? That was so distinct that the old man recognized it on the news? Shouldn't it be dead easy to identify?
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His grandpa's very distinct custom rifle, yes. Maybe the old man was having trouble managing recoil and had it chambered in something soft shooting? And the cops assumed since it looked like an old deer r, it was probably fuddy aught six?
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I, not saying I believe the narrative being pushed, but my intital thought after hearing it with earbuds was 3006.
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> Something here seems fake and gay.
Everything seems fake and gay. I'm 100% convinced that Biden was never president. Since about 2016 maybe 2008 or even as far back as 1984 I'm fairly sure things are just crazy and nothing makes sense.
Everything seems fake and gay. I'm 100% convinced that Biden was never president. Since about 2016 maybe 2008 or even as far back as 1984 I'm fairly sure things are just crazy and nothing makes sense.
There is indeed a frame captured of a projectile in the air. Scroll up New a little to https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/1AR0ZXyDRd/new-charlie-kirk-evidence-he-was/c and you'll see in the video thumbnail what looks like a bullet. It's coming from a strange angle, though. Even then it could be a trick of the light, weirder has happened.
Similar to "second shooter" theories (esp. JFK), the "(x) is still alive" thing has been around since forever, and it's at its least believable yet here. I've yet to hear anything about Mr. Kirk that would suggest that he would for any reason fake his death and live on. You're right to be skeptical, and more power to you, but it's a little misdirected here.
The lack of exit wound is what catches me the most, though. The neck is not an especially thick part of the body (though it is very dense with nerves and blood vessels), or something that would be lodged more easily like the brain (Abraham Lincoln was shot at point-blank and the bullet lodged in his brain.) to stop a round. If they found the bullet this would be a different story but I've heard nothing of that. It would be moderately surprising to find out the bullet stopped, but I'd say theoretically possible. Either way what do I know. I'm just some guy.
Similar to "second shooter" theories (esp. JFK), the "(x) is still alive" thing has been around since forever, and it's at its least believable yet here. I've yet to hear anything about Mr. Kirk that would suggest that he would for any reason fake his death and live on. You're right to be skeptical, and more power to you, but it's a little misdirected here.
The lack of exit wound is what catches me the most, though. The neck is not an especially thick part of the body (though it is very dense with nerves and blood vessels), or something that would be lodged more easily like the brain (Abraham Lincoln was shot at point-blank and the bullet lodged in his brain.) to stop a round. If they found the bullet this would be a different story but I've heard nothing of that. It would be moderately surprising to find out the bullet stopped, but I'd say theoretically possible. Either way what do I know. I'm just some guy.
The lack of exit wound calls the "it was a .30-06" story into question. Pretty much any sort of supersonic. .30-06 round would go right through a human's neck. Hell, it would go right through a human's spine 9 times out of 10. The idea that the bullet did not exit because he had Man of Steel bones and/or skin is fucking retarded.
Im no expert but i expect the distance to the target would count
Sure. But with standard (supersonic) .30-06, assuming that were the round used, anything inside 600m it's going to hit like a piledriver. From the rifle I saw in the picture (and assuming that was actually the rifle used), that round would be traveling at ~3000 fps. ~3000 fps x 110 grain bullet = WHAM. Even moreso, if it were a standard-for-caliber 150 grain, or 168 grain.
The .30-06 was developed specifically to be way OP when it comes to hitting human targets. One shot should absolutely kill a man. Stuff explodes when it hits because of the amount of energy in the round. If it hits a limb the limb is shredded and gone. If it hits a head the head explodes.
Compare with something like a .223 / 5.56 -- it is designed to wound people. The idea was that you could send more rounds downrange if they weren't so dang heavy and your men could carry more, plus the rifle could be smaller and more manageable, plus you want the enemy to spend all their time and energy treating wounds. A 5.56 hitting somewhere other than center of mass will put a hole in someone but may not kill them. They will stop fighting but they may survive. The 7.62 is a similar story, but they went with a bigger round and it slows down a lot and loses accuracy around 100 yds.
Then compare it with a .22LR which is designed to put small holes in small creatures at a decent range. Yes, you can kill with a .22 if you hit the right spot, and there are a LOT of spots you can hit and get a kill. But there are a lot of spots where the .22 will give you are really, really bad day and a day trip to the ER.
The wound to me looked like a .22.
I am not an expert.
Compare with something like a .223 / 5.56 -- it is designed to wound people. The idea was that you could send more rounds downrange if they weren't so dang heavy and your men could carry more, plus the rifle could be smaller and more manageable, plus you want the enemy to spend all their time and energy treating wounds. A 5.56 hitting somewhere other than center of mass will put a hole in someone but may not kill them. They will stop fighting but they may survive. The 7.62 is a similar story, but they went with a bigger round and it slows down a lot and loses accuracy around 100 yds.
Then compare it with a .22LR which is designed to put small holes in small creatures at a decent range. Yes, you can kill with a .22 if you hit the right spot, and there are a LOT of spots you can hit and get a kill. But there are a lot of spots where the .22 will give you are really, really bad day and a day trip to the ER.
The wound to me looked like a .22.
I am not an expert.
Your understanding is correct. This cartridge was developed before someone had the "bright idea" that wounding a person would take three people out of the fight, not just one. That thinking produced the 5.56 round. This .30 caliber projectile was actually in a way a _compromise_ for some in our military, since not very long before we were fielding rifles in .45 caliber (.45-70), etc. The .30-06 caliber was a step up in power from the original .30 caliber the USA fielded, in the Krag Jorgensen. This step up was because we took the Krag to the Spanish-American war and the Philippine-American war at the turn of the century, and the folks shooting back at us with 7mm x 57 Mausers were kicking our asses. So we took the German Mauser (typically 8mm or sometimes 7mm) and made a version with .30-06 (Springfield 1903).
If the picture is to be believed, this is an actual Mauser, in .30-06 (not a Springfield). This means it was made for the consumer market, or if it is actually a military Mauser it was rebarreled into .30-06 (no military Mausers were made in .30-06). So it's probably a Parker-Hale or something like that from the 1970s, etc.
.30-06 will blow an arm off the torso of a human, with "ball ammo" (FMJ = Full Metal Jacket). An exit wound, with .30-06 FMJ, is like 99.9999% _guaranteed_, on a human's neck.
If instead this caliber was truly used and a _modern version_ of .30-06 was used (like a "soft point" or a "HPBT" [Hollow Point Boat Tail]), the cavitation inside the body when the round pierced the skin would have been _massive_. And, an exit wound would be 99.99% likely.
Nothing about the story, as told, makes sense.
If the picture is to be believed, this is an actual Mauser, in .30-06 (not a Springfield). This means it was made for the consumer market, or if it is actually a military Mauser it was rebarreled into .30-06 (no military Mausers were made in .30-06). So it's probably a Parker-Hale or something like that from the 1970s, etc.
.30-06 will blow an arm off the torso of a human, with "ball ammo" (FMJ = Full Metal Jacket). An exit wound, with .30-06 FMJ, is like 99.9999% _guaranteed_, on a human's neck.
If instead this caliber was truly used and a _modern version_ of .30-06 was used (like a "soft point" or a "HPBT" [Hollow Point Boat Tail]), the cavitation inside the body when the round pierced the skin would have been _massive_. And, an exit wound would be 99.99% likely.
Nothing about the story, as told, makes sense.
Shot by a palm pistol
https://rense.com/general98/31fcdec5-8f27-4688-a665-446ec6e3f5b5.mp4
https://rense.com/general98/31fcdec5-8f27-4688-a665-446ec6e3f5b5.mp4
Holy cow it sounds 100% like a .22. Even the speed. You hear the "crack" then the "thud" meaning it was not supersonic. Charlie moved because he realized he had been shot, not because the shot was powerful. It may have hit nerves or something that causes an autonomic(?) response.
.22's make a cracking, high-pitched sound. It's really not that loud. 5.56 are much louder and have a "boom" along with the crack. 30-06 are very much more "boom" and less "crack". Also, it doesn't "thud" when it hits, it explodes.
It was NOT a 30-06, and anyone who has practiced will be able to say positively the same.
.22's make a cracking, high-pitched sound. It's really not that loud. 5.56 are much louder and have a "boom" along with the crack. 30-06 are very much more "boom" and less "crack". Also, it doesn't "thud" when it hits, it explodes.
It was NOT a 30-06, and anyone who has practiced will be able to say positively the same.
I've seen three scenarios worth exploring:
1. The RODE mic he had on him had a PETN/Plastic explosive in its battery, as we saw with the Israeli pagers operation on Hamas, etc. It exploded and sent part of the mic through his carotid.
2. One of the security guys in front of him had a palm-shaped pistol that he used to shoot Charlie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_Palm_Pistol
I saw the video of the dude and it _does_ look like he has something in his hand, and his hand/arm positions are ... weird.
3. There was a shooter nearby that shot him while someone else made the sound of a gunshot further away. I saw an area in shadow where there was a blink of light that could have been a muzzle flash, and then back to black. This happened at the exact same time as he was shot.
I of course do not know what really happened.
1. The RODE mic he had on him had a PETN/Plastic explosive in its battery, as we saw with the Israeli pagers operation on Hamas, etc. It exploded and sent part of the mic through his carotid.
2. One of the security guys in front of him had a palm-shaped pistol that he used to shoot Charlie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_Palm_Pistol
I saw the video of the dude and it _does_ look like he has something in his hand, and his hand/arm positions are ... weird.
3. There was a shooter nearby that shot him while someone else made the sound of a gunshot further away. I saw an area in shadow where there was a blink of light that could have been a muzzle flash, and then back to black. This happened at the exact same time as he was shot.
I of course do not know what really happened.
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