1 month ago11 points(+0/-0/+11Score on mirror)1 child
Atheists follow a religion because they believe in dogma. They all uniformly believe in the same things which means that they are not irreligious, their religion just doesn't recognize a God. They seem incapable of coming to conclusions that challenge another atheist. In fact, actual religion is less dogmatic and unified in its belief than atheism tends to be. Orthodox, catholic, and protestant Christians are not in communion because they disagree on scripture. Shia and sunni Muslims disagree on the line of succession from Muhammad. Even the jews have strife within competing interests of their own communities. Such problems do not bother the atheists, who simply latch on to whatever new age idea they want to and never challenge that narrative, and attack non believers (only ever christians and Muslims, never jews, interesting) under one banner of atheism. They are in fact the most dogmatic religion on earth
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
1 month ago4 points(+0/-0/+4Score on mirror)1 child
I am atheist, but different.
- I follow ethics because the world is a better place with less crime, less littering, more trustworthiness, etc. I am not stringent with this - if someone kills someone who deserves death, who causes a LOT of harm to us (like that healthcare CEO), that's acceptable. If we are supposed to never kill anyone, evil will thrive - as it already does. Of course it would be preferable if it could be done publicly, not via assassinations, but we have malevolent people so deeply entrenched in our systems that nothing else can be done.
- I can't say I am obsessed with my people, but whatever is good for my people and my country is also good for me. I know that jews and niggers of all brands are bad for us in many ways, therefore TND & TKD are necessary. I am the type of guy who'd risk his life for his comrades in a war though, I wouldn't live long as a soldier.
- I know that Christianity helps people have better lives, and it's defining for our culture, architecture and art. I just wish it would be more based, but ultimately people shape religion to what fits them most. Nobody thinks "my religion tells me to kill infidels, but I really don't want to" - those who want to kill, will adapt their beliefs to fit that goal.
- Afterlife is of 0% interest to me. When I die, it's over. No functional brain to process anything, not time, not pain, not thoughts.
- I do not consider myself too moral. In fact, the lack of things that should be done, which I haven't done, gnaw on me.
- Usually atheists fall into some ideology like nihilism, liberalism and communism, but they are just pseudo-religions, rationalizations of laziness, hedonism, degeneracy, to justify having worthless lives as parasites. Egalitarianism is the greatest mind virus ever conceived, and it was spearheaded and supported by jews, unsurprisingly.
- I believe in strength and moral reciprocity, because strength is universally favored, and the hallmark of evolution. Moral reciprocity means don't be a coward to enemies, don't be a cuck, respect people as they respect you.
I am a true atheist in the sense that I have no ideology nor religion. My stance is the result of building philosophy up from reality as it is. I am not a "Nazi" because I watched too many bad videos or because something just struck me and made me mad - it is the most logical stance to have. It is and should be the default for everybody, and in fact it was up to a century ago. Let's just restore the demographics we had let's say 200 years ago - that's all I am asking for. My stance is not novel, it is just adapted to modern times with more information.
- If there is an entity that was powerful enough to create life, it must have occurred many billions of years ago, and start with the Big Bang or even iterations of it before. In that case, life is an unpredictable outcome to a degree that Earth as we know it is the outcome of randomness.
- So either, in addition to being practically omnipotent, we'd also have to assume omniscience crossing time at least by billions of years.
- Earth isn't that particularly interesting, we'd be one planet with life among billions or more. To assume that *we* are the focus of interest for an entity that created an entire universe is collectively narcissistic. The planet (in its entire lifespan including the future) might be interesting, but let's not assume that God would establish contact with us just two millennia ago, and then demand worship and faith.
- Many religions were founded across the entire planet over its existence, and different ones by our ancestors. So clearly ALL have to be false, and ONLY one maximum can be correct.
- Why would an entity that is omnipotent and omniscient even care about the personal affairs of people? Or even act in their favor?
While the idea of a caring God is nice, it's asking for a little too much. The thing is - sometimes good things happen, sometimes bad things happen. Good and bad things have happened to me, and most were the consequences of my own actions. To attribute it to something external would deprive me of self-agency.
Prayer is a neat way for people to verbalize thoughts, to essentially meditate about things - but I can verbalize thoughts easily as well, I speak to myself sometimes which is a form of elevated thinking, as it manifests thoughts in a more concrete way, which allows discovering issues or areas that haven't been worked out. But it is not tied to "prayer-topics." But I have created many speeches in my bathtub, like what I would tell Hitler if I'd go back in time.
That Chirstcuck morality is exactly why Mexico/Brazil is filled with mongrel bio weapons, instead of civilized whites. Also, it is why the world is filled with niggers
Some babies deserve to die, and if you deny that you're a NIGGER LOVER. As Nietzsche pointed out, Christianity is a slave morality and it is a fact.
1 month ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)3 children
I spent some time pondering about morality and my conclusion is that you cannot be moral without god.
Let say some atheist wanna be moral, who would dictate what morality is for him? If he let another man dictate what morality is, who would watch the watchers?
1 month ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
> Who would dictate what morality is for him?
Morality does not necessarily mean good. Morality are the rules that guide behavior. People make their own morals or follow someone else's. If Christians don't want to think for themselves about it, then they have an easy out -- defer to the first god's rules. If atheists want to think for themselves then they have to weigh the pros and cons of their actions against their own thoughts and their physical environment and consequences.
Christian: I shouldn't punch this person because god told me to be nice. God tells me to behave a certain way and I will be his slave and abide because I want to go to heaven.
Atheist: I shouldn't punch this person. I wouldn't like it that happened to me. I want to be nice of my own free will.
But I will 100% agree that a lot of atheists are just terrible nasty people in need of good direction.
1 month ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
You cannot be nice by yourself because you yourself cannot dictate what morality is. Nobody can. Morality has always been a collective thing in society.
Christians aren't nice because God told them to. They are nice because their views aligned as a collective. You put a sole Christian into a muslim town, would he be nice to his neighbor? No, he would curse them every day.
Atheists on the other hand does not have the agreed upon standards of morality, each to their own interpretation, as you yourself said, "be nice of my own free will". You simply cannot be moral that way.
Why not? Is there some kind of fundamental law of science that prevents a non religious person from behaving good?
It sounds like you think atheists are bad people for not believing. I was raised going to church every Sunday for years. By the time I was 13 /14 figured it was just lies to get ppl to behave a certain way. I just played along and pretended and it was all kinda cringe to me.
But I will tell you this. I don't hate Christians. Not at all. They're usually good folk even if their mysticism makes no logical sense.
You are not bad for not having faith. You are bad because you think your judgement and your morality supersede the others. Being atheist means you believe you are the ultimate arbiter of truth out there, and there's no higher being than your own body.
Most religious folks (except islam and judaism) behave in a good way because they believe in the judgement of God/Buddha/heaven/hell whatever in the afterlife, not because they are brainwashed by "mysticism".
"Do good deeds" is not limited to Christian. Ask yourself why people across different continents and religions share common belief that "do good deeds" is the way to salvation in the afterlife.
1 month ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
I have never gotten an answer from atheists on this question
If there's no one to decide what morality is (some authority), then anyone can claim whatever they want is moral
This viewpoint can justify some of the worst things, like you could just dismiss their ideology as justifying child abuse and so on
Now, some immoral things create practical problems, like stealing or acts of violence, so a "libertarian" code might somewhat emerge where violent acts are "frowned upon", but this doesn't really prevent anyone from still justifying whatever they think they want and going after it, regardless if the thing is illegal.
Still, people can enforce some of these basic rules by like attacking someone for example if they are attacking you, so then criminal-minded people might think twice before trying to victimize random people.
The problem with American society is that White people here have not been exposed to White people's culture. White people's culture has elaborated countless system of moralities that do not rely on "this book says so".
Aristotle, Marcus Aurelius, Kant, etc. There are tons of philosophies that provide a system of morality which is much more coherent and deep than the one of the Abrahamic religions.
1 month ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
How do you know *god*'s morality is the objective truth when all the evidence are subjective hearsays? Do you really think chopping up 200 penises to buy a woman (like David did) is a morally righteous thing??
You really should read Thomas Pane's Age of Reason if you have 3 digits IQ (if not, stay Christian).
God morality toward human is that of a father toward his son. If I have to cut down 200 to save my son, so be it, and it is moral and righteous to do so.
1 month ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
I think the queers faggots and general liberal populace gives atheists a bad name.
Real right wing atheists are logical and, to use a made up jew term, "racist". They know the only thing that matters is family and tribe, not fake piety or BS fairy tales meant to herd dipshit sheep with comforting lies to keep them from realizing their inner savage to segregate from subhuman outgroups.
Yes, of course, we're all for abortion if it's based on race.
1 month ago-2 points(+0/-0/-2Score on mirror)1 child
"Made up fairy tales" like atheism, then? Christianity is basic factual truth and history. Anything else, including atheism, is man made faith based religion from judaism. You have faith that God isn't real and the Bible isn't true, despite all the facts and evidence and science and history proving otherwise. You're acting and behaving exactly as the jews indoctrinated you to with their propaganda. You're either a Christian or you're a jew, there's no middle ground. You'll never have a united family and tribe without Christianity. We were Christian and using Christianity to expel and kill jews for thousands of years. It's the only way to unite as Whites.
Atheism is not a religion or faith. Its a lack of belief. Understand the difference.
A lot of atheists were raised in religious households. I just used my god given err I mean natural logic to figure out that it makes little sense.
Like Jesus is not god but he's also god in the flesh. The same god that made everything? Took that nigga 3 days to rise from the dead? Should have taken him .3 milliseconds to raise.
Also look at the holy Bible that is the basis of Christianity. Instead of being a masterpiece of logic and beauty with truth and all of science, it is a mishmash of fairy tales in the old half and then 4 slightly different versions of the same story in the new. With some people's friendly letters (Timothy) included.
The bible is such a crystal clear collection that to this day Christian theologians are debating it. If it was the perfect word of God there would be no debate.
Its all just made up fanfic. Sorry you can't figure that out yet.
>Atheism is not a religion or faith. Its a lack of belief. Understand the difference.
Atheism is the religion of nihilism. It is the faith that God isn't real despite overwhelming evidence proving He is. It is the belief that jewish propaganda is true instead of history, science and basic facts. Understand the difference.
>A lot of atheists were raised in religious households. I just used my god given err I mean natural logic to figure out that it makes little sense.
Atheists were indoctrinated by jews to think Christianity doesn't make sense because they blindly believe whatever the TV tells them without actually critically thinking and going through not only history, science and anthropology, but basic logic. They were raised in Christian households because we used to be a Christian nation until jews won WW2 and God started cursing us for supporting the synagogue of satan modern state of israel.
>Like Jesus is not god but he's also god in the flesh. The same god that made everything? Took that nigga 3 days to rise from the dead? Should have taken him .3 milliseconds to raise.
Jesus is fully God and fully man. Yes, He made everything, even Genesis 1 says God used the Word to create everything and Jesus is the Word. "Three days" to you and Him are very different, He conquered hell and death in those three days for us. And it's not that He *took* three days to rise, it's that He *chose* rise after three days. Even basic logical and rational thinking can explain that if He rose in .3 milliseconds then right now you'd be saying "lol Jesus never actually died so He never actually resurrected."
>Also look at the holy Bible that is the basis of Christianity. Instead of being a masterpiece of logic and beauty with truth and all of science, it is a mishmash of fairy tales in the old half and then 4 slightly different versions of the same story in the new. With some people's friendly letters (Timothy) included.
The Bible is a historical document detailing the factual history of the world and the White race with almost all of it being completely proved correct, and nothing has ever been disproven. It's a collection of several thousand people from different time periods, countries, and sometimes thousands of years apart all saying the exact same thing in multiple languages. If you knew anything about how scholastic history works, then you'd know it is the most credible undeniable source of history the world has. So it is a masterpiece of logic, beauty, truth and science, you're just a retarded 45 IQer that follows whatever your jewish TV says instead of actually studying anything.
>The bible is such a crystal clear collection that to this day Christian theologians are debating it. If it was the perfect word of God there would be no debate.
Welcome to modern jewish subversion. There was very little "debate" about things before 1200s and especially before 1500s.
>Its all just made up fanfic. Sorry you can't figure that out yet.
Imagine believing the Roman Empire ever existed but the Bible is a made up fanfic when we literally have more proof of the Bible's events being true than we do of the Roman Empire ever existing. Sorry you're too retarded to actually study and need jews to tell you what to think and believe.
thank you for your response, despite being illogical you do have your convictions.
Who says I believe the roman empire never existed? I didn't mean to say the bible is not based in some tiny bits of truth, for example Rome did control Judea, sure. And the jews were slaves to Egypt pharaohs ok, but the rest is just made up fluff.
Also, I'm not saying Jesus message was bad or even that Christian morality is bad. I actually think it's good and follow it. I just don't believe the mysticism, the supernatural part of it, it's too far fetched.
Conservative Atheists, not the jew left-tard ones are the ones that use logic to conclude we should be good. Atheists on this board understand that jews are inherently assholish, selfish, and tribal in their behavior and need to be quarantined for the good of the world.
Also if god created hell and death and time, because in the "in the beginning there was nothing", it took him 3 days to conquer what he himself had the power to create? Then the motherfucker isn't omnipotent. Or was he just taking the tour of death (how do you even take a tour of a concept?) and hell and then fighting and subduing it? Christianity's mysticism is a psyop. Despite what you have been indoctrinated with, you can be good without god.
I think that's why so many christians are scared of non-belief. The rest are scared of hell, which is a wonderful way to coerce your followers to worship you. If god were truly loving, he would not ask a fucking thing-- not even belief in him, yet according to christians and the bible, god is a jealous god.
Take a look at commandment 1, no other gods before me. And then the one about don't be covetous. Seems like god can be covetous all he wants (of your attention) while you must worship him first (but don't worry you can still worship other gods, but they have to be after god #1). It's not logical and that's why we don't believe the mysticism.
>Who says I believe the roman empire never existed?
If you don't believe in the Bible's events but believe Rome ever existed, then you are illogical.
>but the rest is just made up fluff
You really need to learn how scholastic history works. The Bible has significantly more proof behind it than the entire American Civil War and Independence from Britain combined.
>I just don't believe the mysticism, the supernatural part of it, it's too far fetched.
This is exactly how the jew indoctrinated you through propaganda.
>and tribal in their behavior and need to be quarantined for the good of the world.
Tribal behavior isn't inherently bad, we should be tribal as the White race, particularly in monoethnic nationalism. But the question I have for you is: how do you define what's good and bad without God? (I already know the answer is that you can't, so I want you to critically think about it with your White brain)
>Also if god created hell and death and time, because in the "in the beginning there was nothing", it took him 3 days to conquer what he himself had the power to create? Then the motherfucker isn't omnipotent. Or was he just taking the tour of death (how do you even take a tour of a concept?) and hell and then fighting and subduing it?
He is omnipotent, and I just gave you a logical reason why He *chose* three days over instant conquering. He probably did conquer it instantly and didn't even need to die in the first place, it was all for us to fulfill His covenant. Another good reason why is because our laws back then made adultery punishable by death, so by dying He was able to forgive us for our race mixing with non-Whites.
>Despite what you have been indoctrinated with, you can be good without god.
No, you really can't.
>If god were truly loving, he would not ask a fucking thing-- not even belief in him, yet according to christians and the bible, god is a jealous god.
God gave you free will. You have the choice to follow Him or not. And if you put down your jewish indoctrination for half a second, you'd realize that the act of following Him in your free will is what makes White nations great and strong and unjewable.
>Take a look at commandment 1, no other gods before me. And then the one about don't be covetous. Seems like god can be covetous all he wants (of your attention) while you must worship him first (but don't worry you can still worship other gods, but they have to be after god #1). It's not logical
Who is the stronger husband and father: The one who comes home and immediately praises God and gives thanks for all the blessings in His life like his wife and kids or the father that immediately sits down and watches TV and plays video games, treating those as his "idols" over God? There are no other gods, there's just God. So Him being "covetous" is just Him teaching you how to not be a jewed retarded shithead.
>that's why we don't believe the mysticism.
You do realize miracles continue to be performed today, right?
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed