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Why? [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRPjKQtRXR8)'s real-time satellite footage. Since 2015, and nobody has any problems with it. Not even flat Earthers mentioned anything except fish eyes lens, which is dumb, because an alleged edge would have been visible anyway.
But note, this real-time footage merely confirms what we already know. This isn't the "ultimate proof." There are many of those.
> why would there still be millions of people who knows the earth cannot be a globe?
It's not millions, and it's a peculiarity in the US. But why so many? For the same reason there are people who think all races are equal, men are equal to women, and faggots are born this way, etc. They got caught in too much indoctrination and propaganda, and instead of quitting their beliefs, they did was most people did: Keep them and double down.
> It's not that hard to fake video.
Alright, let me tell you how CGI works. Or rather back in ~2015 when the life-footage started. In order to generate 1 second of CGI video, you needed hours of work and processing time. So the ratio of CGI video generation was around 1:1000+. That means to generate 1 second of footage required 1 hour of processing time by a computer. And CGI isn't even good enough today in order to pass as realistic, although it improved a lot.
So it's impossible to fake that real-time footage, because you have 1 second to manipulate the video every 1 second.
> You couldn't even ask a reasonable question before they forced the globe onto you.
I was pondering about fascism when I was ~20, and I was told all my life how bad and evil it is. So clearly societal conventions and indoctrination never stopped me from seeking the truth.
> with globe images
You couldn't even fantasize a flat Earth image even if your life depended on it. It would be utterly ridiculous, and it's easily debunked by "then let's walk to the edge." You couldn't even paint a picture of the edge, or what you'd see if you stood there. It's just this blurry fog of "trust me bro."
> I only use logic
So far you only tried to use psychological means which obviously failed.
> and using basic math and logic, anyone can disprove.
You like to say that, but how about giving me something concrete?
> But if you like videos
I prefer to read it instead of consuming audio-visual media with music in the background.
> Then go observe that it's not there.
Alright, [here](https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=10&h0=1.9&unit=metric) is a website that calculates it. Did you consider your height, the target's height, the distance to the target?
For example if you are 1.9m high, and you look at a tower 10km far away, 2m of it is obscured. So what's the problem again?
> Like it makes evolution highly unlikely.
That is a non-sequitur. Even if true it wouldn't influence the theory of evolution in any way.
> You have to believe in evolution
Evolution is based on the sole idea that the children of parents have their genes intermixed, causing the traits of parents to be inherited. Everything else is derived from that and observing animals in nature... including humans.
> dinosaurs
That is optional and barely relevant.
> and that aliens are out there
That is also optional, but completely irrelevant.
> We are not equals
There aren't many people like me in the world anyway. And I am equal to no one.
> I had to commit to relearn everything. It took years.
I understand that you got hooked, and the reason is simple. Combine a baseline of skeptical-contrarian personality, a radical Christian belief and given current events, develop a hostility against government-corporate authorities over years.
So you accuse the kikes of tainting your oh-so great Christian beliefs and controlling the world for forever. And everyone in charge knows the Earth is totally flat, and the millions of people who make sure everyone is deceived also know, but they LIE to us solely to diminish Christianity. Ignore the fact that many Christians are already cucking to have shitniggers be poured into our countries and try to treat niggers as "equals." So... we are already facing extinction and it doesn't look like Christianity is helping much, or would help even in its most based iteration. Because we are at a point where ethnic purges became necessary. **Necessary**, not optional.
> you're closer to the nigs you hate than me
If that is true, it means you are so far off that... you must be a literal alien. An entirely different species. An ape perhaps? An aboriginal? Perhaps a nigger that is even more different from humans than the average nigger? Or an actual alien from outer space.
Is that what you meant?
I would never accept video as proof. It's so easy for them to fake it. You don't allow that possiblity and it prevents you from taking it seriously. I'm able to discuss anything about it, but our conversation hasn't been teacher to student, it's been a philosophy argument. If you are inquisitive, I can help.
The fact that you admit to thinking FE is about an edge means you have been bamboozled. No one thinks we are on a flat planet with an edge, that is stupid and that is the psy op. You got stuck on tue first level psy op designed to dissuade normies...pretty weak for a so called conspiracy theorist.
And there are many amateur videos from weather balloons 20 miles up and we can clearly see the horizon does not curve and the sun is local to earth, small and moves. The earth doesn't move and even that is easy to observe and prove.
You do t understand I got hooked. There isn't some rabbit hole of reading gospel like religions or cults. It's re teaching yourself everything because your education was a joke. It changes everything and nothing at the same time... obvious you are still a slave in a container. So it makes no difference of you know it..
It takes time to reteach yourself everything after you first proved the earth cannot be a globe. And that's what I meant by million years old dinos or aliens from other planet being impossible. Not just unlikely. By using logic.
Christianity is just another psy op to keep us in line. Doesn't mean I'm atheist or religious. FE realization makes some people more religious, but not me, it makes me realize we are just slaves or science experiments, maybe entertainment or delectably delicious...who knows why we are here or what this place is, but we could not have originated here unless this place is billions of years old and even then, who can manage this place that long.
So proving the earth isn't a globe won't help evolution, but ya, technically by itself it cannot disprove it, but wow, you'd have to do some serious mental justification to keep believing in evolution.
Yes, I've done the math. Using websites and my own excel sheet.
And in your example, pull out binoculars. Then you can see the entire tower again. Do you understand how laws of optical perception work? It's basic but most people are confused by how the horizon works.
The horizon is just the end of YOUR visibility with your eyes. You can use more powerful lens and see much father, if it wasn't for Beers law (particles in the air), you could see from NYC to Paris.
But it should be obvious that boats do not actually go over the horizon in just a few miles when you pull out binoculars and see them again after they "went behind the curve"
Refraction doesn't explain that, but most people grasp to that word and think they understand it.
You know that there is a high chance you are wrong, and if you are wrong, all your insults turn on yourself. You are sitting in a glasshouse and throwing rocks. The chance is 100% btw.
> It's so easy for them to fake it.
Unsubstantiated claim. It's not easy, and it's easy to spot fake videos even today.
> You don't allow that possiblity and it prevents you from taking it seriously.
To consider the possibility doesn't mean I lobotomized myself. Again, videos are one thing. To fake uninterrupted, continuous, video footage is a whole different level. But we can gladly dismiss incontrovertible proof for the sake of entertainment.
> The fact that you admit to thinking FE is about an edge means you have been bamboozled.
I heard various versions of it. Including the floppy "it could be anything, we don't know!" version with moving goalposts.
> And there are many amateur videos from weather balloons 20 miles up and we can clearly see the horizon does not curve and the sun is local to earth, small and moves.
Well, sounds easy then. Show me the best video you have.
> obvious you are still a slave in a container.
The psycho-babble is a little tiring. It has 0% effect, so skip it.
> By using logic.
I am still waiting for you to present the logic.
> but wow, you'd have to do some serious mental justification to keep believing in evolution.
You've still not presented the logic to argue that. This is all just vague "trust me bro." Evolution is based on the core phenomenon of genetic inheritance. Extend that to a large scale across time and you have evolution and its logical implications, like the time span or how changes in lifeforms happen.
> And in your example, pull out binoculars. Then you can see the entire tower again.
There is no terrain around me that is flat. And here in Hungary there *are* quite some flat terrains filled with crops, but nothing that would allow you to see far anyway. And when you happen to be able to see far, it means you are on a slight elevation, or you are looking slightly down. If you are merely 1m higher, your vision range drastically changes, and I don't think you are able to figure out your exact elevation for comparison.
So I don't know how you can be so certain about that given that it's near impossible to be conclusive about that.
However there is a good example with [power poles over a sea](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/gqfiq4/the_power_lines_at_lake_pontchartrain_clearly/).
> who can manage this place that long.
That's the key, it wasn't managed and it doesn't have to be.
> The horizon is just the end of YOUR visibility with your eyes.
You can literally go up a mountain and have an immense vision range. Look at [this](https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=250&h0=3000&unit=metric). If you stand on a 3000m high mountain and have a clear vision, you would be able to see objects ~200km far away IF they'd be 3000m below you. Then the curvature gets extreme enough that at 210km ~16m of objects would be obscured, meaning most objects (trees, houses) wouldn't be visible.
Look at [this](https://sky-lights.org/2021/01/11/earths-longest-unobstructed-line-of-sight/) bad boy - allegedly the Earth's longest unobstructed line of sight (it's a damn nice view). How far does that view go? 50km?
So if you can see that far, how does "range of vision" make sense? Aside from that, the Sun and Moon even according to FE-theories must still be quite distant, so how are they visible if your vision range is supposedly so short?
> when you pull out binoculars and see them again after they "went behind the curve"
I don't think you can take boats as a suitable comparison because they move, and the pace at which they vanish is slow, as it spans ~5-15km. At ~8km distance you should [still be able to see](https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=8&h0=1.9&unit=metric) the boat. And if you don't, it means other factors like mere distance, fog and/or water vapor have obscured your view, and binoculars could compensate that.
That's not an experiment that proves anything.
Thing is, and I know you can't believe me, but I know, like most people who would never call themselves "flat earthers" know for a fact the earth cannot be a globe and space cannot be a vacuum full of super massive stars and black holes.
You think it's ridiculous, and so did I, until I took it seriously.
I wasn't able to be convinced in the comments section and It looks like you'll have none of that either, but you can trust yourself. That's what I had to learn. That my analytical skills, use of logical methods and trusting my observations above the status quo are real.
I started with a proof. I began to add them up and it became less and less likely that everyone and everything was right. It's hard to explain this transformation in my perspective. I know it can't be understood until you've tried it.
You're a man when you can take the FE proofs seriously, explain them as if you were a professional and still decide for yourself what you will hold as your world view.
While you adopt others idea (video, NASA, space fags here and there) and doubt real people like me that say things that don't vibe with your world view,...then you are merely a sheep, following the crowd.
You're not trying to learn and I don't have time to teach a person like that
Why can't it be? What makes you so sure of it? Because it's absolutely plausible. Given gravitation, matter tends to move towards itself, thus stars, planets and moons form, and orbiting occurs. If it weren't like that, all matter would be distributed across space like a gas. But that only means that the vacuum of space would be replaced with... an almost vacuum of space. 99.999%+ of space consists of nothing, the rest is matter, which is highly concentrated (like stars).
> I know it can't be understood until you've tried it.
See, there are multiple attempts from flat Earthers, and all have their logical shortcomings that render their theories impossible. For example the fact that there are places in the North where you can see the Sun for 24+ hours straight should debunk all of them. I cannot even imagine the super-fancy made-up map one could come up with to make it plausible, whereas with Earth being a globe it's utterly simple and straight-forward. One flat Earther did it not long ago, and while he remained skeptical to maintain his "pride," he was accused by others of being a fraud or incompetent.
It's one of those cult beliefs that is highly entrenched. Even if you get 1 person out, all others will double down in their fanaticism.
> You're a man when you can take the FE proofs seriously
I did. So far ALL failed to prove their points. And there were some who were much better than you are btw. He made an argument based on a physics formula... which was ultimately silly, but it was a good attempt and I had to look it up myself.
> While you adopt others idea (video, NASA, space fags here and there)
[How about](https://replogleglobes.com/blog/the-shape-of-the-earth-who-discovered-the-fact-that-the-earth-is-spherical/) Aristotle, Eratosthenes (3rd century BC), Ferdinand Magellan, Juan Sebastián Elcano? NASA is very recent... they came 1 or 2 millennia late to the party.
> then you are merely a sheep, following the crowd.
But what if... you are exactly what you accuse others to be? Maybe you think because you go against the grain you are smarter in some area, yet you navigate yourself with ignorance and dismissal of established facts, math and physics. Your opposition to soyintific community is reasonable and justified btw - there is more corruption going on than most people can even imagine. But we are not talking about idiots, we are talking about people with a very high IQ and extensive understanding of what they are doing. If you don't operate with the same level of intelligence and/or competence, you cannot even communicate with them. It's as if they are talking to a dog, trying to prevent it from shitting on the porch... but the dog doesn't understand.
Tell me, one of these "short comings" that you have found in "flat earthers" points?
When it comes to Eratosthenes, you have to understand how gullible you are, how you're not able to see the massive hole in the logic. But, don't take my word for it since your too biased to learn from me, so get it from V-sauce, Jew tool fake science fag himself. https://streamable.com/356zse
Do you see the obvious unscientific flaw?
Did you know the the solor system and planets and globe were all new to the department of education only one decades before the "moon landing". Ya, nobody taught globe earth until the 1950s. It was only debated in so called higher learning, and the debates were overwhelming.
Today, the government has exceptional control over your world view.
But, don't believe me, just answer so more questions. Like, where does the powerful, infinite vacuum of space stop pulling off little air molecules? At what elevation is the "gravity" stop protecting the air from getting sucked off? No one can tell you, it's fact that doesn't exist, but go look
How about answering my other point about Polaris. Why did that one get by you?
Going back to my original claim that you're a half ass who never actually tried to understand perspective or anything a flat earther had told you ( I'll bet you've never met anyone who told you the earth isn't a globe either, just watched globetard programming that teach you how to behave towards a person like me, should you ever meet a person you think is a "flat earther" which I am not, but I digress...)
You're incapabliy of describing why the 24 hour sun doesn't make sense is how I know you're lying about "looking into flat earth"
You actually assume that I am arguing for a pancake planet floating around the sun with other round planets, huh? Do you know anything about real zetetics? No. You're just another sheep who thinks they understand the premise before regurgitating your globe space programming.
If you ever met a real "flat earther". You'd learn quickly they know more about heliocentric and geocentric models than you. Ya, there's nothing you know about space or gravity that I can't run circles around. It's impossible to teach the globe programmed though. I know because I was just like u several years agYou didn't actually. So, let's prove that you don't understand FE model. Shall we?
Tell me, one of these "short Cummings"
When it comes to Eratosthenes, you have to understand how gullible you are, how you're not able to see the massive hole in the logic. But, don't take my word for it since your too biased to learn from me, so get it from V-sauce, Jew tool fake science fag himself. https://streamable.com/356zse
Do you see the obvious unscientific flaw?
Did you know the the solor system and planets and globe were all new to the department of education only one decades before the "moon landing". Ya, nobody taught globe earth until the 1950s. It was only debated in so called higher learning, and the debates were overwhelming.
Today, the government has exceptional control over your world view.
But, don't believe me, just answer so more questions. Like, where does the powerful, infinite vacuum of space stop pulling off little air molecules? At what elevation is the "gravity" stop protecting the air from getting sucked off? No one can tell you, it's fact that doesn't exist, but go look
How about answering my other point about Polaris. Why did that one get by you?
Going back to my original claim that you're a half ass who never actually tried to understand perspective or anything a flat earther had told you ( I'll bet you've never met anyone who told you the earth isn't a globe either, just watched globetard programming that teach you how to behave towards a person like me, should you ever meet a person you think is a "flat earther" which I am not, but I digress...)
You're incapabliy of describing why the 24 hour sun doesn't make sense is how I know you're lying about "looking into flat earth"
You actually assume that I am arguing for a pancake planet floating around the sun with other round planets, huh? Do you know anything about real zetetics? No. You're just another sheep who thinks they understand the premise before regurgitating your globe space programming.
If you ever met a real "flat earther". You'd learn quickly they know more about heliocentric and geocentric models than you. Ya, there's nothing you know about space or gravity that I can't run circles around. It's impossible to teach the globe programmed though. I know because I was just like u several years ago.
The established physics and math IS what I questioned. And I found to be totally corrupt and also simply retarded. For example, You should ask yourself how parallel (aka direct) light from the sun can create a penumbra. Or how does a cloud or hot air balloon stay in sync with the spinning ground below ( assuming you really do understand basic physics)?