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posted 1 year ago by fourleaved on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +37Score on mirror )
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devotech2 on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 2 children
I'm not wholly against monarchy, however, the fact that most of 3rd positionism itself was rather anti monarchy might be somewhat telling.

The main issue with establishing a monarchy is simple: industry. The industrial revolution led to the rise of the bourgeoisie which is inherently at odds with aristocracy and the Monarchs themselves. It's... difficult to reconcile these conflicting interests.

After the Renaissance and all through the age of Absolutism, there would be considerable conflicts of interests between the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie. The monarch had to increasingly depend on taxes and loans coming from the wealthy merchant classes ( i know, the funny m word. Most of them were white though) in order to pursue great infrastructure projects or wage war. In turn, this led to this bourgeoisie feeling entitled to a say in political matters of their nations, because it was ultimately funded by them. The political tool they found to make themselves heard is the proto-form of Parliament. The roots of the English Civil War are a good example of how that went: pitching aristocrats and the monarch who would not let go of ancient privileges against a growing class of people who held most of the wealth and felt entitled by it.

And the reason that the bourgeoisie could not just simply, well, *become* the aristocracy under the king is also simple: they already had other jobs that were taking their time away. They aren't octopuses and dipping their hands in being full time aristocrats and full time leaders of industry would be, well, impossible. And it's necessary that an aristocracy should have more power than the bourgeoisie in a monarchy, but in the industrial world and even today, the bourgeoisie will always be at odds with them because the bourgeoisie functionally controls most of the wealth.

But there is a caveat to this: the most effective monarchies of the time (namely Germany and Japan) are the ones who responded to industrialization by nipping the innate power of aristocracy and transferring power to the bourgeoisie and middle class without absolving the head of state. Actually, japans monarchy was incredibly radical. The emperor and the monarchists behind him completely destroyed the aristocracy in the form of the shoguns, and killed off the samurai. There was nothing left of Japan's aristocracy after meiji. There are few monarchies that actually responded properly to this change though and, many, effectively dug their own graves. If there weren't a problem already, jews wouldn't have been able to piss people off enough to destroy everything.

Yes, it can work. But bear in mind that there was a reason that so many Italian fascists, as a for instance, utterly despised monarchy. Falangism hated monarchy even more (until Franco merged the parties). Hitler's Germany didn't particularly like it very much either. Industry makes feudalism impossible. It just isn't gonna happen. Emperor meiji understood this, as did the Hohenzollerns.
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Tourgen on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
great post

"There are few monarchies that actually responded properly to this change though and, many, effectively dug their own graves."

my understanding is this is how Spain fell from a world power. they couldn't reconcile aristocratic power with the financial realities of the world was changing. they just couldn't modernize their society to deal with how reality was changing.

earlier than that tho.. got to admire their solution to the jewish infiltration problem. pretty effective.
devotech2 on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
What's ironic is that spain was one of the arbiters of the change in reality. The system that spain set up with mercantilism brought enormous wealth to the bourgeoisie.

Russia is another example. The constant infighting between russias nobility and... everyone else led to Russia being unable to industrialize properly, everyone getting fucked, basically, jews smelling blood in the water, and then a communist revolution.

But with how the Russian empire and its nobility were conducting themselves, and with the entry into ww1, something violent would have happened in the country even if jews had never existed. Most of the white army didn't even like the monarchy or the aristocracy. Kolchak would have been installed as dictator if they had won and the monarchy would still have been dead and gone. Maybe its members would be doing well in Russia, but they were never going to he in power again.
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