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>Wales is WEST of England, but not IN England, and is NOT WESTERN ENGLAND.

>ENGLAND IS NOT BRITAIN IS NOT THE UK. That's why we use different words to describe things! England is IN Britain. England is PART of the UK. But England and Wales are DIFFERENT.

Learn about the difference between borders and heritage first, please. The western English are closer to the Welsh in ethnicity than they are to the eastern ones. Secondly, you're agreeing with me. I stated that the Welsh and English are different in the first place. Read. What is now western England WAS a part of Wales in the middle ages. It became a fiefdom. It was absorbed into England over time. It's racially Welsh.

And yes, the founding fathers wanted america to be British. Like I said, Jefferson himself was of Welsh descent. Of course the dominant culture would have been English, as it was in the UK itself, but just like the UK itself it would have been made up of different people from the isles.

>They left (northwest) Germany in the 400s. They arrived in England (literally from Angle Land.) At the time there were Britons living there. Within a generation, the Britons disappeared. No one knows where they went, but it is widely accepted that the Anglo-Saxons committed genocide of one sort or another against them.

Wrong once again. The Britons didn't vanish. We know where they went. They got absorbed into the population. Look at any study of English genetics ever.

>against the English king

King George III wasn't English. He wasn't even British whatsoever. He was fucking German. The last native king of Britain was scottish.

>claimed the kingship and conquered the country of England. (Not Wales. Not Scotland. ENGLAND.) This happened in 1066.

Absolutely fucking delusional. Yes, William the bastard's heritage *ultimately* extends to the vikings. But what of it? He was an elitist French speaking dick who viewed his germanic brothers as an inferior people. He also let jews into england. Fuck him. I hope that he is burning in hell.

>we were in northwestern England, bordering Scotland.

You'd be shocked to learn that if you did an analysis that your ancestors were more Briton than anglo saxon

>they spoke English

Means nothing. So do Nigerians

>If we were able to trace their ancestry back to the 400s, almost definitely you'd see that they were descended from the Anglo-Saxons.

Most definitively *no*. Back in the 400s they were fighting the saxons. You confuse lines on a fucking map with race. Eastern England is anglo saxon, western England is made up of populations who were subjugated by them. And no, the Britons never disappeared.

>Probably Saxons given the fact that they are brown hair blue eyed and short, like Saxons always have been

>short

You have described, in effect, Britons. Go to Ireland or Scotland and you'll see plenty of people who fit the bill. No, the anglo saxons were ostensibly a nordic people. Go to northwestern Germany and Denmark today and you can see modern saxons, their closest relatives today. The English were the same (at least close to) average height of the vikings. The nobility of both the English and the norse were very large indeed.

>By the way, the Welsh and Scottish who came to America, what language did they end up speaking? Whose clothing did they wear? What culture did they practice? I know people who CAN trace their ancestry back to scotland. Some of them still hold highland games and know which clan they belong to.

Holy fucking shit you just described white people who aren't English or nordic integrating and blending into another white society. I thought it was completely impossible. No shit anglo saxon culture is dominant in the states, it's dominant in Britain too. A Scotsman needs to do very fucking little to integrate into American society. Less so a Welshman. That being said, not everyone who practices anglo saxon culture *is* anglo saxon.

My family is from Southeastern England, mostly. Tall, blonde haired, blue eyed. I'm actually of majority anglo saxon descent. The western English aren't anglo saxon. The exact phenotype you're describing is fucking brythonic.

You mix up borders and race continually throughout this reply and the original comment. They're not one for one. European borders were drawn mostly on cultural and linguistic lines. Not racial ones. Northern Spaniards, as a for instance, are closer to British people than they are to southern Spaniards. But they all come from that place where the version of vulgar Latin they spoke would become spanish, therefore they all became part of spain. As it is that the western English are closer to the Welsh or the Scots than they are to their eastern brethren, but all the land was subjugated and all the land speaks English, therefore it became England.

And, as a Southeastern English, old stock American from dixie, whose family has been here since Jamestown. I do say that if other whites (namely germans) had *never* come to the states, we would have found ourselves much sooner a minority in our land than we have at present. We'd have been a minority to native Americans and later mexicans shortly after stepping out of the old colonies if a metric fuck load of germans wouldn't have come over.