I want us all to become better at debating normies, because pushing ConPro ideas is the most important thing we can do for the White race at this point in time.
I've written [a guide on how to talk to normies about race](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/17txtLGjgZ/how-to-talk-to-normies-about-rac/c), so this is going to be a part two and I'm probably going to turn it into a series.
Read this, think about it, and feel free to use these ideas.
How to talk to normies: Hitler is bad and the holocaust.
If you're in a situation where a normie says that Hitler was evil, how do you respond, exactly? Imagine that you're happy to show your power level, what do you say exactly?
Saying "*Oh no, Hitler was good!*" is just not going to go anywhere. Why? Because you can't debate generalities and abstract statements.
Watch [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5t6iUzajk) and learn from Ben Shapiro, that kike is quite good at debating libtards.
Pay special attention to point 3 and 5.
You should say: "*Why do you think Hitler is evil? What is it that he's done that you think is bad?*". This will probably be a shock to the average NPC who was just reciting his program. From here, you put your opponent on the defensive, where he needs to come up with reasons to justify why he thinks Hitler is bad. And each one of these reasons that they may come up with is much easier to reject than the original abstract statement.
For example, here are some of the things they may say and my quick responses.
Note that this is just what I'd say to normies, not necessarily a full argument.
1) **He's a dictator**: and? why do you assume democracy is better? Germany had been a democracy for only 15 years before he took power, and even that was established by force. Democracy was never a part of Germany's history, so I don't see what your point is.
2) **He attacked Poland, he started a war, he wanted to grab other people's land**: that was just normal at the time and for all of history. At the time of WWII England had conquered a quarter of the entire planet, France almost another quarter, and even America had colonies. I don't see what's special about Germany wanting to do the exact same thing.
3) **He killed a bazillion people**: Hitler didn't kill a single person before the war started. Look it up, that's just a historical fact. He just rounded up communist terrorists, most of which happened to be Jews, who were given prison sentences. But nobody was killed during peacetime. As for the war, blaming a single man for all the deaths of a war is asinine, it's like saying that George Bush killed 1 million people in Iraq.
4) **He's racist**: if being racist is loving your own race and wanting White people to prosper, then yes. I don't see what's wrong with that.
5) **He started WWII**. No, that is just not true. It's Britain and France that declared war on Germany starting a massive conflict. Germany just had a border dispute with Poland, it was Britain and France that turned it into a world war. I assure you that nobody who likes Hitler today thinks he's personally responsible for WWII.
And at some point they'll mention the final boss... the HOLOCAUST!
The moment in which they start talking about the holocaust or the persecutions of the Jews, you need to switch gear and go on the offensive.
Think about it for a moment. Saying that "*the holocaust didn't happen*" makes good memes and shocking content, but it will never convince a normie. You can argue until you're blue in the face that gas chambers didn't really exist, or that it's not possible to cremate 900k corpses in open air pyres, or that there should have been bones remaining... Believe me, I've tried. The normie will simply move the goalpost. They will ultimately say that it was evil to put the Jews in concentration camps at all, and they'll feel that they won the argument. Even if you can prove to them that the holocaust didn't happen, at most you can achieve a draw. Stop being on the defensive and go on the attack!
At the first mention of the holocaust / the Jews, the first thing that should come out of your mouth is: **The Jews tried to genocide all European people like they've done in Russia and Ukraine. Hitler tried to defend Europe from the Bolsheviks.** In a war people die. The Jews were murdering German soldiers behind the frontlines, which is a war crime by the way, so retaliation was the only option they had. What were the Germans supposed to do? Letting themselves be killed by the Jews? The Jews are mass murdering Palestinian children right now, but you somehow think that 80 years ago they were peaceful and innocent? The Jews always whine about their victims not letting themselves be killed.
That's it. It's pointless to try to argue that the holocaust didn't happen. Some Jews were killed by the SS, this is undeniable. Instead of trying to argue that we were peaceful and innocent, you must drive home the point that Jews are not the victims. They whine and claim to be victims, but they are not the victims.
If you were to engage a literal Jew, that's what you should tell him: *your entire culture and religion is about seeing yourself as the victims, but you were not a victim in WWII. You were not the victims, you were the perpetrators.*
I assure you that this will go under the normie's or the Jew's skin, and they will remember it forever. You break their worldview. Their worldview includes people who inexplicably deny the holocaust, the "holocaust deniers" are just part of their plan. Hearing the perspective that Jews are not the victims is what can damage their programming. We have a real chance now with what's happening in Palestine to make normies see the Jews for who they really are. The children of the devil.
I've written [a guide on how to talk to normies about race](https://communities.win/c/ConsumeProduct/p/17txtLGjgZ/how-to-talk-to-normies-about-rac/c), so this is going to be a part two and I'm probably going to turn it into a series.
Read this, think about it, and feel free to use these ideas.
How to talk to normies: Hitler is bad and the holocaust.
If you're in a situation where a normie says that Hitler was evil, how do you respond, exactly? Imagine that you're happy to show your power level, what do you say exactly?
Saying "*Oh no, Hitler was good!*" is just not going to go anywhere. Why? Because you can't debate generalities and abstract statements.
Watch [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5t6iUzajk) and learn from Ben Shapiro, that kike is quite good at debating libtards.
Pay special attention to point 3 and 5.
You should say: "*Why do you think Hitler is evil? What is it that he's done that you think is bad?*". This will probably be a shock to the average NPC who was just reciting his program. From here, you put your opponent on the defensive, where he needs to come up with reasons to justify why he thinks Hitler is bad. And each one of these reasons that they may come up with is much easier to reject than the original abstract statement.
For example, here are some of the things they may say and my quick responses.
Note that this is just what I'd say to normies, not necessarily a full argument.
1) **He's a dictator**: and? why do you assume democracy is better? Germany had been a democracy for only 15 years before he took power, and even that was established by force. Democracy was never a part of Germany's history, so I don't see what your point is.
2) **He attacked Poland, he started a war, he wanted to grab other people's land**: that was just normal at the time and for all of history. At the time of WWII England had conquered a quarter of the entire planet, France almost another quarter, and even America had colonies. I don't see what's special about Germany wanting to do the exact same thing.
3) **He killed a bazillion people**: Hitler didn't kill a single person before the war started. Look it up, that's just a historical fact. He just rounded up communist terrorists, most of which happened to be Jews, who were given prison sentences. But nobody was killed during peacetime. As for the war, blaming a single man for all the deaths of a war is asinine, it's like saying that George Bush killed 1 million people in Iraq.
4) **He's racist**: if being racist is loving your own race and wanting White people to prosper, then yes. I don't see what's wrong with that.
5) **He started WWII**. No, that is just not true. It's Britain and France that declared war on Germany starting a massive conflict. Germany just had a border dispute with Poland, it was Britain and France that turned it into a world war. I assure you that nobody who likes Hitler today thinks he's personally responsible for WWII.
And at some point they'll mention the final boss... the HOLOCAUST!
The moment in which they start talking about the holocaust or the persecutions of the Jews, you need to switch gear and go on the offensive.
Think about it for a moment. Saying that "*the holocaust didn't happen*" makes good memes and shocking content, but it will never convince a normie. You can argue until you're blue in the face that gas chambers didn't really exist, or that it's not possible to cremate 900k corpses in open air pyres, or that there should have been bones remaining... Believe me, I've tried. The normie will simply move the goalpost. They will ultimately say that it was evil to put the Jews in concentration camps at all, and they'll feel that they won the argument. Even if you can prove to them that the holocaust didn't happen, at most you can achieve a draw. Stop being on the defensive and go on the attack!
At the first mention of the holocaust / the Jews, the first thing that should come out of your mouth is: **The Jews tried to genocide all European people like they've done in Russia and Ukraine. Hitler tried to defend Europe from the Bolsheviks.** In a war people die. The Jews were murdering German soldiers behind the frontlines, which is a war crime by the way, so retaliation was the only option they had. What were the Germans supposed to do? Letting themselves be killed by the Jews? The Jews are mass murdering Palestinian children right now, but you somehow think that 80 years ago they were peaceful and innocent? The Jews always whine about their victims not letting themselves be killed.
That's it. It's pointless to try to argue that the holocaust didn't happen. Some Jews were killed by the SS, this is undeniable. Instead of trying to argue that we were peaceful and innocent, you must drive home the point that Jews are not the victims. They whine and claim to be victims, but they are not the victims.
If you were to engage a literal Jew, that's what you should tell him: *your entire culture and religion is about seeing yourself as the victims, but you were not a victim in WWII. You were not the victims, you were the perpetrators.*
I assure you that this will go under the normie's or the Jew's skin, and they will remember it forever. You break their worldview. Their worldview includes people who inexplicably deny the holocaust, the "holocaust deniers" are just part of their plan. Hearing the perspective that Jews are not the victims is what can damage their programming. We have a real chance now with what's happening in Palestine to make normies see the Jews for who they really are. The children of the devil.
I would not bother trying to debate most people because most people are either too stupid or too dishonest for logical debate.
Lots of people believe in LIES because they themselves are dishonest and live a lie. Someone who wants to know the truth about themselves will want to know the truth about the world.
No demoralization in this thread, take your defeatist attitude somewhere else.
To gas the Jews we need the numbers. Not the majority, but we need a few millions of White men to be based at the ConPro levels. How do you get more men to be based? By talking to them.
“Lots of people believe in LIES because they themselves are dishonest and live a lie. Someone who wants to know the truth about themselves will want to know the truth about the world.”
I love this, and totally agree. I find that most of them live the lie because they’re scared, and/or lazy. It’s easy to live the lie, it’s hard to seek out, realize, and accept the unapologetic uncomfortable truths.
My favorite normie quotes that I hear people say all the time when hard discussions are brought up is “it is what it is”, “whatcha gonna do”?😞
Remember how i made it to c/ConsumeProduct. I was banned from everywhere else on the internet first.