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>Problem is, we have seen how the V2 hierarchy systematically shuts down any opposition, so it seems kind of pointless to try to "resist them from within
Any opposition that is public, yes, but they cant do anything if Traditionalists take over the seminaries. Theyre currently desperate for priests, if we provide the priests, they will not be able to do anything about us taking back the Church. The jews took over the seminaries this way, and we can take them back in the same manner.
I see what you're saying. That's interesting: they stacked the deck to get so many modernists in charge, so we could just do the same to push back.
I guess I was taking the approach that probably you'd have to force their hand by intellectually proving the opposite position is true to a point no one could deny it, leading to necessary adoption of said view and consequent reform of things.
edit: one problem is a lot of them are doomers, don't think much can be done. There is some wisdom in this view, as it's in God's hands to decide when things are remedied. Yet, at other times their attitude seems wrongly passive to me. Ultimately someone needs to obtain a conviction about the correct thing to do, from God. A late mentor kind of agreed with me that no one seems to be getting a direct connection with God on what God's Will is, in the current situation. I do not personally think the "stacking the seminaries" approach would work or what I would be called to contribute to, but I can see how that would (and should) be entertained for consideration as a possible remedy, versus a virtual "do nothing" passive doomerist attitude.
>. Yet, at other times their attitude seems wrongly passive to me.
Because it is, expecting God to do all the work through Miracles instead of doing what He told us to is a sin called "Tempting God". Ultimately, we get the leaders we deserve because we do nothing, if we want better priests and bishops, we need to find good young men who hate modernity and wont compromise with it and get them into the seminaries.
Any opposition that is public, yes, but they cant do anything if Traditionalists take over the seminaries. Theyre currently desperate for priests, if we provide the priests, they will not be able to do anything about us taking back the Church. The jews took over the seminaries this way, and we can take them back in the same manner.
I guess I was taking the approach that probably you'd have to force their hand by intellectually proving the opposite position is true to a point no one could deny it, leading to necessary adoption of said view and consequent reform of things.
edit: one problem is a lot of them are doomers, don't think much can be done. There is some wisdom in this view, as it's in God's hands to decide when things are remedied. Yet, at other times their attitude seems wrongly passive to me. Ultimately someone needs to obtain a conviction about the correct thing to do, from God. A late mentor kind of agreed with me that no one seems to be getting a direct connection with God on what God's Will is, in the current situation. I do not personally think the "stacking the seminaries" approach would work or what I would be called to contribute to, but I can see how that would (and should) be entertained for consideration as a possible remedy, versus a virtual "do nothing" passive doomerist attitude.
Because it is, expecting God to do all the work through Miracles instead of doing what He told us to is a sin called "Tempting God". Ultimately, we get the leaders we deserve because we do nothing, if we want better priests and bishops, we need to find good young men who hate modernity and wont compromise with it and get them into the seminaries.