1 year ago18 points(+0/-0/+18Score on mirror)1 child
Let me spell it out for you...
Anyone who has actually read the Bible will not pretend that the jews are God's chosen people.
It is utterly ridiculous to come to that conclusion in the Old Testament.
it is even more ridiculous to come to that conclusion in the New Testament.
TO WIT:
* Judah was NOT given the birthright. Joseph was. In fact, Joseph received more blessings than Abraham and Isaac did. Joseph left the land of Israel after Assyriah laid waste there. They likely ended up in Europe and are the ancestor of one or more of the Germanic tribes. Thus, WE EUROPEANS have the birthright, not the so-called "jews".
* Judah was ONLY promised that his line would have the kings "until Shiloh come." Christians see only one way to interpret this. Once Jesus was born, the ONLY promised blessing that Judah would receive was fulfilled.
* The Old Testament is FULL of God condemning all of Israel and many times SPECIFICALLY the people of Judah because they do not receive God's prophets, they do NOT keep the covenant, nor do they do righteousness. In fact, God says that all of their sacrifices are worthless. In Jeremiah, God asks Judah (specifically) whether there is a spot of skin that he has not bloodied and bruised in punishment as Judah has rejected God time and again.
* In the New Testament, Paul rejects his lineage from the tribe of Benjamin (and thus his claims to Israel through his blood) saying it is literally shit. Only Christ and his followers can be counted as Israel. Those who reject Christ are thus rejected out of Israel. BY REJECTING JESUS, THE JEWS HAVE DIVORCED THEMSELVES FROM ISRAEL AND ANY POSSIBLE BLESSING THROUGH THEIR BLOODLINE. The last 2,000 years of history should give plenty of examples of how God has abandoned the so-called jews.
* Jesus on MULTIPLE occasions condemns specifically the scribes and the pharisees. These are the two groups that made Judaism hundreds of years later after God kicked them out of Jerusalem and gave it to the Christians after Rome destroyed it.
* In the book of Revelation, God calls out the jews multiple times in multiple ways, even going so far as to say that the "jews who are not jews" have a special punishment reserved. Then he goes on to bless the CHRISTIANS not the jews and promises them eternal glory in his eternal city, while those who reject Jesus get NOTHING.
The message of the Bible is clear, and it is not pro-Israel. In fact, God would be considered one of the worst anti-semites ever if you actually read the text. That's why jews do not want us reading it nor do they want us telling people about what is actually in there.
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)2 children
I thought only the Pharisees influenced modern day Judaism. Explain the connection between the scribes cause im actually curious
But yeah it’s very clear theyre not God’s chosen. They cant even identify what tribe they are for certain and refer to themselves as being one tribe. And theyre mostly mongrelized with assorted peoples all over the world and not descended from the peoples who inhabited the Levant
1 year ago7 points(+0/-0/+7Score on mirror)2 children
The Scribes (or Saducees) were a priest caste dedicated with learning and passing down the scripture and ensuring the Law was followed. By Christ's time, they had completely reneged on their duty and were hypocrites like the Pharisees. They essentially stopped caring about the spirit of the law and just took the letter of the law to its autistic extreme, and conspired with the Pharisees to kill Christ, who were normally their rivals because they weren't of the priest caste and looked down on by the Scribes as a result.
scribes and sadducees were two very different groups.
The sadducees were descended from the legitimate temple priests and according to Mosaic law had the rights to administer the temple rites.
The scribes were invented in Babylon and their only authority was that they could read old books. They also built up false traditions and interpretations based on nothing more than their own imagination, completely ignoring (and murdering) the numerous prophets that God sent to clarify things.
Also, the "law" that the scribes and pharisees taught was NOT legitimate because neither of them had any right to interpret the scriptures. In fact, Jesus roundly condemns pretty much everything they taught and furthermore condemned them for killing the prophets. Which prophets? We don't know, because they murdered them and didn't tell us about it.
It's a minor point but it's important to get it right. Remember that neither the scribes nor pharisees had any authority on anything to do with righteousness.
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
Among the jewish elite, there were three groups of people who had political power in the first century.
* The sadducees were the literal descendants of Levi and were thus entitled to running the temple. Jesus never attacked them because they were doing their job. Yes, they had silly ideas, but for the most part they just tended to the temple and stayed out of people's way.
* The scribes were formed during the years in Babylon and represented the literate class who not only could read the ancient texts but took upon themselves the duty to interpret them for the people. They are most similar to the academic class nowadays. Jesus didn't often have a problem with them, but he called them out several times for hypocrisy (which means ACTING) because they pretended to have authority they did not, and put themselves in the seats of the prophets who actually had authority from God to read and interpret ancient scripture.
* The Pharisees were a political group of fanatics who believed that God would protect them if they just kept all of the commandments exactly as written. They were always condemned by Jesus because of their hypocrisy, as they worshiped the law rather than God. The pharisees carried a spirit of contention and murder against God and his servants and especially his son.
After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and banned jews from the Roman Empire, the three groups dissipated. They jews went to live in Babylon (again) where they conspired together to return and take Jerusalem from the Romans.
The sadducees lost their records and so lost their right to administer the temple rites. Besides, Jesus banned the temple rites and invalidated them with his sacrifice. They had to alter basically everything they were commanded to do by God since they no longer had access to the temple.
The scribes also were badly ruined by the devastation. However, they had some of the records that the Romans tried to destroy, and they started crafting a "new" religion from what they had left.
The pharisees also were ruined because their prediction that "if we just do what this book says we will be saved!" were proven wrong. At Babylon, they showed their true colors and began boldly teaching a satanic religion that was in opposition to Jesus and his message. They twisted the scriptures and began to pretend that their arguments had some sort of merit.
it is important to note that God condemned Jerusalem the first time because they were outwardly keeping the ordinances but inwardly they were sacrificing to the Canaanite idols. God could see their secrets, and he exposed them via Jeremiah and others, which earned them the condemnation of the political class. These people left Jerusalem and lived in Babylon, and some of them returned to Jerusalem when Persia restored the temple there. If you read in Nehemiah and Ezra you can see that they brought back with them the satanic order they learned from the Canaanites and were still doing it in secret.
Those people who outwardly worshiped God but inwardly worshiped Moloch and Baal were the ancestors of the Pharisees and scribes. After the Maccabees force-converted the locals (who were also worshiping the Canaanite gods) the problem only multiplied, with many of the force-converted becoming Pharisees themselves.
Thus, the religion they created in Babylon hundreds of years after they were chased out of Jerusalem is actually the Canaanite religion, papered over with ridiculous interpretations of Mosaic laws that were invalidated anyway by the sacrifice of Jesus.
It's important to keep things clear from a historical and biblical perspective, because it helps you understand what Jesus is actually saying and who he is talking to and so what he actually means with his words. For instance, the passages where Jesus talks about divorce -- he was condemning the pharisees and scribes who would just kick their wife out and not divorce her. The woman was thus forced either to live by herself (and likely starve) or shack up, illegitimately, with another man. Jesus told the jews that by doing this they were practically forcing their wives to commit adultery, just to survive, and instead they should formally divorce them so that they can remarry legitimately. In short, the jews were being jews, even to their wives, and their wives were suffering for it, when Moses had already provided a convenient resolution to the problem that they created!
1 year ago-1 points(+0/-0/-1Score on mirror)2 children
The epistle of barnabas (book weirdly taken out of modern bibles) stated they broke their covenant the moment they made a golden idol of Apis after being given the commandments and that the laws and covenants were actually for the “Christian Race”…Hm
Revelations doesnt say anything about a country of Israel, it talks about "the camp of the saints", but its only mention of Jerusalem is calling it "sodom" and "egypt" where the Two Witnesses will be killed by wicked men
1 year ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)1 child
Originally there was a chosen people and a bloodline. Who the real chosen are(were) is debated but it's irrelevant now because the new testament is a new covenant between God and man. Just like God said that animal sacrifice was no longer needed with the old testament/old covenant/10 commandments, God said via Christ/new testament that the NEW and sole path to salvation is through Christ.
Yes, the ultimate conclusion is ultimately that Christians are the "Chosen Race", and that the original jews, assuming they werent exterminated by the romans or race mixed out of existence after the exile, are no longer Chosen if they reject Christ, and the Talmudists are AntiChrist in spirit.
"synagogue of Satan"
OK got it
Anyone who has actually read the Bible will not pretend that the jews are God's chosen people.
It is utterly ridiculous to come to that conclusion in the Old Testament.
it is even more ridiculous to come to that conclusion in the New Testament.
TO WIT:
* Judah was NOT given the birthright. Joseph was. In fact, Joseph received more blessings than Abraham and Isaac did. Joseph left the land of Israel after Assyriah laid waste there. They likely ended up in Europe and are the ancestor of one or more of the Germanic tribes. Thus, WE EUROPEANS have the birthright, not the so-called "jews".
* Judah was ONLY promised that his line would have the kings "until Shiloh come." Christians see only one way to interpret this. Once Jesus was born, the ONLY promised blessing that Judah would receive was fulfilled.
* The Old Testament is FULL of God condemning all of Israel and many times SPECIFICALLY the people of Judah because they do not receive God's prophets, they do NOT keep the covenant, nor do they do righteousness. In fact, God says that all of their sacrifices are worthless. In Jeremiah, God asks Judah (specifically) whether there is a spot of skin that he has not bloodied and bruised in punishment as Judah has rejected God time and again.
* In the New Testament, Paul rejects his lineage from the tribe of Benjamin (and thus his claims to Israel through his blood) saying it is literally shit. Only Christ and his followers can be counted as Israel. Those who reject Christ are thus rejected out of Israel. BY REJECTING JESUS, THE JEWS HAVE DIVORCED THEMSELVES FROM ISRAEL AND ANY POSSIBLE BLESSING THROUGH THEIR BLOODLINE. The last 2,000 years of history should give plenty of examples of how God has abandoned the so-called jews.
* Jesus on MULTIPLE occasions condemns specifically the scribes and the pharisees. These are the two groups that made Judaism hundreds of years later after God kicked them out of Jerusalem and gave it to the Christians after Rome destroyed it.
* In the book of Revelation, God calls out the jews multiple times in multiple ways, even going so far as to say that the "jews who are not jews" have a special punishment reserved. Then he goes on to bless the CHRISTIANS not the jews and promises them eternal glory in his eternal city, while those who reject Jesus get NOTHING.
The message of the Bible is clear, and it is not pro-Israel. In fact, God would be considered one of the worst anti-semites ever if you actually read the text. That's why jews do not want us reading it nor do they want us telling people about what is actually in there.
But yeah it’s very clear theyre not God’s chosen. They cant even identify what tribe they are for certain and refer to themselves as being one tribe. And theyre mostly mongrelized with assorted peoples all over the world and not descended from the peoples who inhabited the Levant
The sadducees were descended from the legitimate temple priests and according to Mosaic law had the rights to administer the temple rites.
The scribes were invented in Babylon and their only authority was that they could read old books. They also built up false traditions and interpretations based on nothing more than their own imagination, completely ignoring (and murdering) the numerous prophets that God sent to clarify things.
Also, the "law" that the scribes and pharisees taught was NOT legitimate because neither of them had any right to interpret the scriptures. In fact, Jesus roundly condemns pretty much everything they taught and furthermore condemned them for killing the prophets. Which prophets? We don't know, because they murdered them and didn't tell us about it.
It's a minor point but it's important to get it right. Remember that neither the scribes nor pharisees had any authority on anything to do with righteousness.
* The sadducees were the literal descendants of Levi and were thus entitled to running the temple. Jesus never attacked them because they were doing their job. Yes, they had silly ideas, but for the most part they just tended to the temple and stayed out of people's way.
* The scribes were formed during the years in Babylon and represented the literate class who not only could read the ancient texts but took upon themselves the duty to interpret them for the people. They are most similar to the academic class nowadays. Jesus didn't often have a problem with them, but he called them out several times for hypocrisy (which means ACTING) because they pretended to have authority they did not, and put themselves in the seats of the prophets who actually had authority from God to read and interpret ancient scripture.
* The Pharisees were a political group of fanatics who believed that God would protect them if they just kept all of the commandments exactly as written. They were always condemned by Jesus because of their hypocrisy, as they worshiped the law rather than God. The pharisees carried a spirit of contention and murder against God and his servants and especially his son.
After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and banned jews from the Roman Empire, the three groups dissipated. They jews went to live in Babylon (again) where they conspired together to return and take Jerusalem from the Romans.
The sadducees lost their records and so lost their right to administer the temple rites. Besides, Jesus banned the temple rites and invalidated them with his sacrifice. They had to alter basically everything they were commanded to do by God since they no longer had access to the temple.
The scribes also were badly ruined by the devastation. However, they had some of the records that the Romans tried to destroy, and they started crafting a "new" religion from what they had left.
The pharisees also were ruined because their prediction that "if we just do what this book says we will be saved!" were proven wrong. At Babylon, they showed their true colors and began boldly teaching a satanic religion that was in opposition to Jesus and his message. They twisted the scriptures and began to pretend that their arguments had some sort of merit.
it is important to note that God condemned Jerusalem the first time because they were outwardly keeping the ordinances but inwardly they were sacrificing to the Canaanite idols. God could see their secrets, and he exposed them via Jeremiah and others, which earned them the condemnation of the political class. These people left Jerusalem and lived in Babylon, and some of them returned to Jerusalem when Persia restored the temple there. If you read in Nehemiah and Ezra you can see that they brought back with them the satanic order they learned from the Canaanites and were still doing it in secret.
Those people who outwardly worshiped God but inwardly worshiped Moloch and Baal were the ancestors of the Pharisees and scribes. After the Maccabees force-converted the locals (who were also worshiping the Canaanite gods) the problem only multiplied, with many of the force-converted becoming Pharisees themselves.
Thus, the religion they created in Babylon hundreds of years after they were chased out of Jerusalem is actually the Canaanite religion, papered over with ridiculous interpretations of Mosaic laws that were invalidated anyway by the sacrifice of Jesus.
It's important to keep things clear from a historical and biblical perspective, because it helps you understand what Jesus is actually saying and who he is talking to and so what he actually means with his words. For instance, the passages where Jesus talks about divorce -- he was condemning the pharisees and scribes who would just kick their wife out and not divorce her. The woman was thus forced either to live by herself (and likely starve) or shack up, illegitimately, with another man. Jesus told the jews that by doing this they were practically forcing their wives to commit adultery, just to survive, and instead they should formally divorce them so that they can remarry legitimately. In short, the jews were being jews, even to their wives, and their wives were suffering for it, when Moses had already provided a convenient resolution to the problem that they created!