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1 year ago6 points(+0/-0/+6Score on mirror)3 children
you do realize Christians stole "Christmas" from the Romans right? Saturnalia existed way before Jesus was even born (and the Romans [copied it from the Greeks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronia))
1 year ago10 points(+0/-0/+10Score on mirror)1 child
No, thats a modern lie created by (((You Know Who))) to discredit Christianity and spread by ignorant protestants who think the Church is Pagan.
Saturnalia was mid December, whereas Christmas has generally been near the end. Most cultures have gift-giving festivities near the end of the year, and many Christian cultures give gifts on St. Nicholas' day (which is december 6th and well before Saturnalia). Its mainly the anglo countries giving gifts during Christmas day, which might be where the myth that Saturnalia was replaced with Christmas came from (which again doesnt even make sense, because Christmas is at the end of December and Saturnalia is between St. Nicholas' day and Christmas day.
I had older ''online friends'' from Europe who had ( small ) gifts on December 6th as kids for Saint Nicholas day, before American influence made most people push the date to December 25th.
Here ( Quebec ) the tradition is/was going to Christmas Eve's mass at, or a bit before midnight, for the habitual story-telling of Jesus Christ's birth, with relevant decorations and songs.
Then famity gathering with a traditional meal, alchool, music, dance. Gifts either after midnight, or the next morning with the nuclear family.
Being from a small town, I got to experience it all before things went to shit.
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)2 children
Am I the only one who thinks Christmas and Easter need to be swapped, at least in the northern hemisphere?
Obviously the birth of Christ should be in Springtime, along with everything else being born, and includes a tradition of gift giving (from the magi).
And the death and resurrection directly parallels the "death" of the sun on the solstice and it's resurrection when the days start getting longer, which is noticeable by the 25th.
That said, the solstice festival is absolutely necessary to maintain sanity during winters north of the 50th parallel, and it's my favourite holiday.
The success of Christianity in Europe is in how well it moulds to the ideology and practices that Europeans already had, while still not being heretical.
A day for Saturn, another one for sol invictus? Okay, now it's a day for Jesus. And also, it wasnt saturnalia that coincided with christmas, it was the day of sol invictus. We don't actually know when his birthday was, I doubt he'd send us to hellfire for praising him on one day instead of another. What's wrong with doing this? It's not like we're sacrificing children to Jesus. Jesus Christ supplanting sol invictus as the invincible sun actually seems apt to me.
Why is his birthday December 25th? His birthday wasnt recorded until the 400s. By the roman government, which was already converted. So it was probably to legitimize him to the cult of sol invictus, already among the first Europeans to convert due to the similarities between sol invictus and Christ, further. This does not mean that were worshipping Saturn or sol invictus by having Christmas on the 25th of December, it means the exact opposite.
Saturnalia was mid December, whereas Christmas has generally been near the end. Most cultures have gift-giving festivities near the end of the year, and many Christian cultures give gifts on St. Nicholas' day (which is december 6th and well before Saturnalia). Its mainly the anglo countries giving gifts during Christmas day, which might be where the myth that Saturnalia was replaced with Christmas came from (which again doesnt even make sense, because Christmas is at the end of December and Saturnalia is between St. Nicholas' day and Christmas day.
Here ( Quebec ) the tradition is/was going to Christmas Eve's mass at, or a bit before midnight, for the habitual story-telling of Jesus Christ's birth, with relevant decorations and songs.
Then famity gathering with a traditional meal, alchool, music, dance. Gifts either after midnight, or the next morning with the nuclear family.
Being from a small town, I got to experience it all before things went to shit.
Obviously the birth of Christ should be in Springtime, along with everything else being born, and includes a tradition of gift giving (from the magi).
And the death and resurrection directly parallels the "death" of the sun on the solstice and it's resurrection when the days start getting longer, which is noticeable by the 25th.
That said, the solstice festival is absolutely necessary to maintain sanity during winters north of the 50th parallel, and it's my favourite holiday.
The success of Christianity in Europe is in how well it moulds to the ideology and practices that Europeans already had, while still not being heretical.
A day for Saturn, another one for sol invictus? Okay, now it's a day for Jesus. And also, it wasnt saturnalia that coincided with christmas, it was the day of sol invictus. We don't actually know when his birthday was, I doubt he'd send us to hellfire for praising him on one day instead of another. What's wrong with doing this? It's not like we're sacrificing children to Jesus. Jesus Christ supplanting sol invictus as the invincible sun actually seems apt to me.
Why is his birthday December 25th? His birthday wasnt recorded until the 400s. By the roman government, which was already converted. So it was probably to legitimize him to the cult of sol invictus, already among the first Europeans to convert due to the similarities between sol invictus and Christ, further. This does not mean that were worshipping Saturn or sol invictus by having Christmas on the 25th of December, it means the exact opposite.