Noah was the genetic bottleneck.
He had 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
The family of Shem was the most important. (It's where "semitic" comes from.) He carried the birthright and all the blessings promised from Adam to Noah.
From Shem eventually came Eber. (It's where "Hebrew" comes from.) We don't know much about Eber but apparently he was a big deal for thousands of years afterwards.
From Eber eventually came Abraham. Abraham lived in the city of Ur in Sumeria. Likely, Ur was the place where Shem settled, and Abraham, being a direct-line descendant of Shem and Eber was the king of the city.
Abraham left Ur because his father tried to sacrifice him to the false gods. He settled in a place called Haran, but then moved on to Canaan as God promised that his descendants would inherit that area once the people there were fully wicked and ripe for destruction.
Abraham moved to Egypt due to famine and there he was welcomed as royalty. He had to lie about his wife who was his half-sister for fear that Pharaoh would kill Abraham so he could marry her. Remember that in those days, lineage came through the woman, not the man. So if you married an important woman and had a child, your child would be important. I believe this is why Helen of Troy was so important and why there was a world war fought over who got to impregnate her and claim her sons.
Anyway, eventually Abraham had a son through Sarah named Isaac, and Abraham gave Isaac, not his other sons, the blessings he inherited from Adam through Noah, Shem, and Eber.
Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau, the older, married canaanite women, and thus lost favor with his parents. Jacob thus inherited the blessings from Isaac. There is a bit more to this story if you look into other writings outside of the Bible, namely that Esau killed Nimrod and took the clothing that God gave Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and so Esau traded his birthright for protection and food lest he be killed as well.
Jacob married four wives, two of whom were related to him. He had 12 sons, only one of whom was worthy of receiving the blessing -- Joseph. Joseph married Egyptian royalty and had two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, with Ephraim receiving the blessings from Jacob. The other sons of Jacob received no blessings at all, just some prophecies about what would happen to them.
Importantly, the tribe of Judah was promised that they would have the kingship "until Shiloh comes", which Christians would interpret as "until Jesus comes". However, all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and many more, were poured out on Joseph and his sons, not Judah.
Fast forward a few hundred years, and Moses, from Levi (one of Jacob's sons) is called by God to lead Israel (Jacob's descendants) out of Egypt. Israel rebels against God and Moses, and so God condemns them to wander the wilderness for 40 years before allowing them to take possession of Canaan.
It is Joshua, a descendant of Ephraim, who leads Israel into battle against the Canaanites and wins, taking their cities and settling the people into their places.
Fast forward a few hundred more years, Israel is wicked and thus God removes his protection, and they are subjected to the Philistines. Who are the Philistines? We really don't know, except that they may be a group of people who left Greece and took over the area, building a trade empire that covered the Mediterranean. These are the ancestors of the Phoenicians who built Carthage and likely settled all across coastal Europe, even up to the Baltic Sea. Anyway, God eventually relents and gives the Israelites a king, culminating in King David or the tribe of Judah. David and his descendants rule Israel for a long time, until eventually foreign powers conquer and dispossess the Israelites of their land.
At this point, except for the tribe of Judah (and Benjamin, since Judah ate Benjamin -- it's a long story) the tribes disappear in the north. Likely, they are resettled in what we now call Russia, and from there, spread out. However, their identity is lost and they are likely integrated into other tribes of men. There is a strong theory that the Germanic Tribes that materialize about this same time, without any known ancestors or origins, come from the lost tribes, probably mixed with Scythians or other ancient cultures.
The Persians, after some time, return the descendants of Judah back to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple, but upon their return (and most did not go back) they find that they are heavily outnumbered by other people who are not descended from Israel. Eventually they build a temple, and God condemns them for breaking the laws.
Fast forward a few hundred years, Alexander the Great of Macedonia takes control of Persia and conquers most of the world, including Jerusalem. After he dies, his empire is split up and Jerusalem comes under Greek rule.
Under Greek rule, some of the descendants of Judah decide to "Hellenize" and become Greeks. Others try to hold on to their traditions and religion and rebel. These are called the Maccabees. The Maccabees are heavily outnumbered because of Hellenization as well as the fact that the Judahites were never a significant number in the area. The Maccabees decide to force-convert everyone regardless of their ancestry, and thus the Pharisees are born.
By the time Jesus is born, the jews are an amorphous group of random people. Only some jews are actually descended from Judah. The rest are randos with no known origin. The Pharisees, a cult who were force-converted and try to continue the forced conversion, have mislead the people and are condemned by Jesus. They conspire and kill Jesus and then Jesus is resurrected and Christianity is born. Christianity spreads rapidly particularly among the Greeks and Romans. The jews rebel against Rome and so they are destroyed. The temple is thrown down, and the jews are prevented from ever living in the Roman Empire ever again. So they run off to Babylon in Persia.
After a few hundred years, they reinvent their religion and write the Talmud, and thus judaism is born. Judaism is a weird hodge-podge of pseudo-scripture combined with ancient pagan practices that God condemned in Canaan. The old gods of Baal and such are resurrected and codified. Also, kabala is written down, the old practices of the old gods.
Fast forward about a thousand years, and a tribe of men called Khazars are raiding the silk road. As Christianity is rapidly ascending as a world power, and Islam is spreading from the Middle East, they find that the writing is on the wall. They have to chose to align with Christianity or Islam, neither of which are going to tolerate raiding the silk road anymore. However, a jew explains that they can avoid this problem if they become jews, and they can still rape and murder and raid all they want, so that's what they do. Furthermore, the Khazars, in order to prevent future disaster, decides to infiltrate both Islam and Christian elites and take over.
It's important to note the following FACTS:
1. Modern jews have nothing to do with Judah, Israel, Abraham, Eber or Shem.
2. If you're European, chances are you are actually a descendant of Israel through one of the lost tribes.
3. If you're middle eastern or persian, there's a good chance you have Israelite blood in you as well. Probably more than any jew does. Genetic sampling, for instance, shows that the Palestinians are more Israelite than the jews in Jerusalem are.
4. It wouldn't matter either way, because Jesus Christ adopts Christians into Israel and kicks anti-Christs out of Israel.
5. Thus, if you're a Christian, you are more Israelite, both by blood and faith, than any jew.
God sent prophets to prophesy that in this day the true descendants of Israel would be persecuted and wouldn't be allowed to rule themselves. He said that foreigners would rule over us and scourge us. That is, until we repent and accept the God of Israel -- Jesus Christ -- and turn away from our sins and remember the covenants God made with Abraham and others.
This means that the people ruling us are not true descendants of Israel, spiritual or physical. They are like the Philistines sent to torment Israel to remind them to come back to God.
At some point, when we change to become righteous, God will allow us to go through like lions among lambs to reclaim our heritage and out rulership. We will throw down the fake jews and subverters and have our own government of people like us who actually try to help and protect us.
It is imperative that we read the Bible and learn to understand its message. It does NOT say what mainstream Christianity says it says. Quite the opposite.
He had 3 sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
The family of Shem was the most important. (It's where "semitic" comes from.) He carried the birthright and all the blessings promised from Adam to Noah.
From Shem eventually came Eber. (It's where "Hebrew" comes from.) We don't know much about Eber but apparently he was a big deal for thousands of years afterwards.
From Eber eventually came Abraham. Abraham lived in the city of Ur in Sumeria. Likely, Ur was the place where Shem settled, and Abraham, being a direct-line descendant of Shem and Eber was the king of the city.
Abraham left Ur because his father tried to sacrifice him to the false gods. He settled in a place called Haran, but then moved on to Canaan as God promised that his descendants would inherit that area once the people there were fully wicked and ripe for destruction.
Abraham moved to Egypt due to famine and there he was welcomed as royalty. He had to lie about his wife who was his half-sister for fear that Pharaoh would kill Abraham so he could marry her. Remember that in those days, lineage came through the woman, not the man. So if you married an important woman and had a child, your child would be important. I believe this is why Helen of Troy was so important and why there was a world war fought over who got to impregnate her and claim her sons.
Anyway, eventually Abraham had a son through Sarah named Isaac, and Abraham gave Isaac, not his other sons, the blessings he inherited from Adam through Noah, Shem, and Eber.
Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau, the older, married canaanite women, and thus lost favor with his parents. Jacob thus inherited the blessings from Isaac. There is a bit more to this story if you look into other writings outside of the Bible, namely that Esau killed Nimrod and took the clothing that God gave Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, and so Esau traded his birthright for protection and food lest he be killed as well.
Jacob married four wives, two of whom were related to him. He had 12 sons, only one of whom was worthy of receiving the blessing -- Joseph. Joseph married Egyptian royalty and had two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, with Ephraim receiving the blessings from Jacob. The other sons of Jacob received no blessings at all, just some prophecies about what would happen to them.
Importantly, the tribe of Judah was promised that they would have the kingship "until Shiloh comes", which Christians would interpret as "until Jesus comes". However, all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and many more, were poured out on Joseph and his sons, not Judah.
Fast forward a few hundred years, and Moses, from Levi (one of Jacob's sons) is called by God to lead Israel (Jacob's descendants) out of Egypt. Israel rebels against God and Moses, and so God condemns them to wander the wilderness for 40 years before allowing them to take possession of Canaan.
It is Joshua, a descendant of Ephraim, who leads Israel into battle against the Canaanites and wins, taking their cities and settling the people into their places.
Fast forward a few hundred more years, Israel is wicked and thus God removes his protection, and they are subjected to the Philistines. Who are the Philistines? We really don't know, except that they may be a group of people who left Greece and took over the area, building a trade empire that covered the Mediterranean. These are the ancestors of the Phoenicians who built Carthage and likely settled all across coastal Europe, even up to the Baltic Sea. Anyway, God eventually relents and gives the Israelites a king, culminating in King David or the tribe of Judah. David and his descendants rule Israel for a long time, until eventually foreign powers conquer and dispossess the Israelites of their land.
At this point, except for the tribe of Judah (and Benjamin, since Judah ate Benjamin -- it's a long story) the tribes disappear in the north. Likely, they are resettled in what we now call Russia, and from there, spread out. However, their identity is lost and they are likely integrated into other tribes of men. There is a strong theory that the Germanic Tribes that materialize about this same time, without any known ancestors or origins, come from the lost tribes, probably mixed with Scythians or other ancient cultures.
The Persians, after some time, return the descendants of Judah back to Jerusalem to rebuild their temple, but upon their return (and most did not go back) they find that they are heavily outnumbered by other people who are not descended from Israel. Eventually they build a temple, and God condemns them for breaking the laws.
Fast forward a few hundred years, Alexander the Great of Macedonia takes control of Persia and conquers most of the world, including Jerusalem. After he dies, his empire is split up and Jerusalem comes under Greek rule.
Under Greek rule, some of the descendants of Judah decide to "Hellenize" and become Greeks. Others try to hold on to their traditions and religion and rebel. These are called the Maccabees. The Maccabees are heavily outnumbered because of Hellenization as well as the fact that the Judahites were never a significant number in the area. The Maccabees decide to force-convert everyone regardless of their ancestry, and thus the Pharisees are born.
By the time Jesus is born, the jews are an amorphous group of random people. Only some jews are actually descended from Judah. The rest are randos with no known origin. The Pharisees, a cult who were force-converted and try to continue the forced conversion, have mislead the people and are condemned by Jesus. They conspire and kill Jesus and then Jesus is resurrected and Christianity is born. Christianity spreads rapidly particularly among the Greeks and Romans. The jews rebel against Rome and so they are destroyed. The temple is thrown down, and the jews are prevented from ever living in the Roman Empire ever again. So they run off to Babylon in Persia.
After a few hundred years, they reinvent their religion and write the Talmud, and thus judaism is born. Judaism is a weird hodge-podge of pseudo-scripture combined with ancient pagan practices that God condemned in Canaan. The old gods of Baal and such are resurrected and codified. Also, kabala is written down, the old practices of the old gods.
Fast forward about a thousand years, and a tribe of men called Khazars are raiding the silk road. As Christianity is rapidly ascending as a world power, and Islam is spreading from the Middle East, they find that the writing is on the wall. They have to chose to align with Christianity or Islam, neither of which are going to tolerate raiding the silk road anymore. However, a jew explains that they can avoid this problem if they become jews, and they can still rape and murder and raid all they want, so that's what they do. Furthermore, the Khazars, in order to prevent future disaster, decides to infiltrate both Islam and Christian elites and take over.
It's important to note the following FACTS:
1. Modern jews have nothing to do with Judah, Israel, Abraham, Eber or Shem.
2. If you're European, chances are you are actually a descendant of Israel through one of the lost tribes.
3. If you're middle eastern or persian, there's a good chance you have Israelite blood in you as well. Probably more than any jew does. Genetic sampling, for instance, shows that the Palestinians are more Israelite than the jews in Jerusalem are.
4. It wouldn't matter either way, because Jesus Christ adopts Christians into Israel and kicks anti-Christs out of Israel.
5. Thus, if you're a Christian, you are more Israelite, both by blood and faith, than any jew.
God sent prophets to prophesy that in this day the true descendants of Israel would be persecuted and wouldn't be allowed to rule themselves. He said that foreigners would rule over us and scourge us. That is, until we repent and accept the God of Israel -- Jesus Christ -- and turn away from our sins and remember the covenants God made with Abraham and others.
This means that the people ruling us are not true descendants of Israel, spiritual or physical. They are like the Philistines sent to torment Israel to remind them to come back to God.
At some point, when we change to become righteous, God will allow us to go through like lions among lambs to reclaim our heritage and out rulership. We will throw down the fake jews and subverters and have our own government of people like us who actually try to help and protect us.
It is imperative that we read the Bible and learn to understand its message. It does NOT say what mainstream Christianity says it says. Quite the opposite.
But if you're curious... the global flood is attested to in all major cultures. Even the Chinese have a character that tells the story of the flood.
Regardless, your line of reasoning seems to be "If we throw out the Bible, what evidence exists of X?" That's a weird way of looking at the world. "Aside from all the testimonies of Jesus Christ risen from the dead, what evidence is there?"
So let’s say we’re looking at Indian mythology. If they say “in our stories, Ganesha threw a boulder and it caused an earthquake.” And the justification that it’s true is “well there WAS an earthquake 6000 years ago so therefore Ganesha must’ve thrown that boulder.” Do you see how that logic doesn’t hold up?
So the flood does not mean Noah existed. Since other mythologies also reference the flood, does that make them true too?
Why is it weird to say “if we throw out the Bible, what evidence exists of X”? The Bible is not a historical document, it’s a mythology that blends historical references with mythology. That was a common practice back then - the Romans also wrote similar histories about Romulus and Remus and their origin - mythical stories that referenced real events to give credence to the mythology. It’s a nation-building technique.
So what non-Biblical evidence exists that Noah was a real person? The justification that “the Jews wrote this book and it’s SO TRUE that it’s actual history.” I just find that to be pretty weak, especially considering that the Old Testament is religious text written by Jews, for Jews, about their mythical tribal war god Yahweh. Why should I believe that their tribal stories mythologizing their own people is relevant to me, someone of European ancestry? And why should I believe their stories are historically accurate if no evidence exists outside of the book that I’m saying cannot be used as historical justification?
If the Bible isn't a historical document, then NO ancient document is historical. They ALL contain fantastic claims that defy what we consider reasonable today. For instance, Romulus and Remus were raised by wolves. Is that reasonable? What about "Constantine saw the sign of the cross and conquered with its symbol". Is that historical or reasonable?
I'm not going to list the other sources on the global flood or the Noah character. You can read the other documents for yourself. I read the Epic of Gilgamesh and it's very clear that he goes to the Noah character to try and find eternal life and it's clear that Noah doesn't like him at all and tries to get him to commit suicide. I've also read about the Chinese Noah character.
Regardless, my point is this: If you set such a standard of evidence, then you will have no evidence at all. At some point you need to start believing at least some of what people wrote down or said.
There were plenty of actual historians in ancient times - Tacitus, Herodotus, Thucydides, Ptolemy, Cato, Polybuis, Livy, Josephus - we have tons of historical texts from the ancient era, there was no lack of actual historians whose works are still studied to this day.
Here are some events from the Bible that you can look into for historical references, since they happened at a time when we have a lot of historical texts that survived:
1) the whole sky going black when Jesus died. Was this recorded anywhere else? Is there a single historical text that mentions “hey, the entire world went black when Jesus died.”
2) in Matthew, he mentions how tons of saints magically rose from the dead and were walking around just hanging out. Considering this would be the biggest miracle in history, can you find any non-biblical references to it? You’d think at least ONE historian would have written about the greatest miracle in history.
I can’t imagine how you could say this book is a historical text with the above 2 examples.
Look, if you’re White and anti-Semitic, you’re at least doing the correct version of Christianity. I’d just push you to investigate researchers and historians that are CRITICAL of your point of view, because you should have a curiosity about these things. I promise you it’s much more interesting to do deep dives into comparative mythology without a sort of attachment to Christianity. For me, it’s only led me to have a greater love for my European ancestors - I actually think it’s more compelling that there was something like a centralized religion of the original aryans that has been dispersed and fucked with by cultures (like the Jews) who had some of their texts but bastardized them to make them all about themselves when they were originally pulled from stories from the proto-Aryan religion.
I promise you it’s much more interesting, but it’s up to you to have the curiosity to look, and to try to look at it from a historians perspective instead of the perspective of someone who dares not blaspheme your belief system (which in my opinion will actually hamper the truth). Up to you.
Not to the Romans. It was literal historical fact to them. Name ONE person who questions the validity of the story.
> Constantine was mythology
You are being ridiculous now. Imagine standing before Constantine and saying, "Your story is made up. You never saw that sign in the heavens, and you did not win by the power of the cross." Do you really think you are smarter than Constantine?
> actual ancient historians
Have you read the actual ancient histories they wrote, or are you just pretending to have done so?
I challenge you to ACTUALLY read what they wrote, and then come back to me and tell me they had a clear understanding of fantasy vs. reality, according to you.
> Bible is historical
You didn't hear what I wrote. I did NOT write that "EVERY WORD OF THE BIBLE IS HISTORICAL FACT!" I wrote that it CONTAINS history. Obviously, you aren't going to be able to find historical documentation for most of the miracles in the Bible, but you ARE going to find historical claims in the Bible, such as "So-and-so ruled in such-and-such for such-and-such a time" as well as genealogies and such.
In terms of Noah's flood, the ONLY reason modern "scholars" reject it is because they cannot imagine it actually happening and they do not think that there is any evidence of it.
Historians, modern historians, operate under a complete different set of rules than ancient historians did. You cannot equate the two, and it is the fallacy of presentism to try to do so. Modern historians operate from the premise of skepticism and doubt, and take as fact anything they think is possible, and reject everything else. For instance, the resurrection of Jesus is rejected simply because people don't get resurrected. They accept the fact that people in the first Century BELIEVED he was resurrected, and that certain people were martyred for their beliefs, but the ONLY reason they reject the resurrection is because it's "impossible."
Meanwhile, things like Noah's flood have great attestation across cultures and languages and religions and histories. We can even find tons and tons of geological evidences of it (rejected ONLY because modern geologists believe that ALL changes MUST be gradual, so things like the global flood is not science.)
If you want the actual truth, you must go beyond the limited perception and ideas of people who are trying to force atheism into scholarship. "God doesn't exist" they say "because I reject all evidence of his existence." See how that works? "Aside from the Bible, what evidence do you have of the claims in the Bible?" is ridiculous on its face.
I find it more believable that the Old Testament was a hijacked version of a more ancient Aryan religion that the Jews rewrote to make themselves the main character than to believe that the Jews were chosen by God and were actually communing with God to write that book. I find the idea that the Jews were ever chosen by anyone to be beyond absurd, and I refuse to believe their book is holy or inspired or for European consumption anyway, in the same way I’d say Greek/Roman/Germanic/Norse mythology isn’t meant for Jewish consumption.
Except the Jews of the Old Testament arent the jews of today, the OT Jews became the Christians, the modern jews are imposters.
They're not committed to seeking truth, they're in self-service to their identity/worldview.
Christians and liberals come from the exact same malfunction of human cognition, that's why they act exactly alike in defense of their beliefs: using off-brand pilpul.
Enlightening observation, thank you for that.