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Bro your comment is basically right where I'm at. I used weed to cope with a lot of things I didn't like in my life, it allowed me to basically stay stuck. I've quit for different reasons before but always came back until this year. I was having more and more issues with it and was getting so depressed. AND the weed was the cause. I'd smoke to deal with anxiety, which caused the anxiety. I'd skip things to smoke weed, because the weed made me anxious and overwhelmed.
Weed kept me locked in a habit loop of weed. I wasn't having fun anymore. I wasn't sleeping and eating well, which was why I started smoking in the first place, and weed was the cause.
I think weed has potential as a medication with a strict dosage and for an acute illness. I remember getting food poisoning very bad overseas and i couldn't even eat or drink due to puking until I vaped some weed thc, which got me able to keep food down. I lost like 20% of my body weight so it was dangerous. But once you get through the actual dangerous part of not keeping fluids and food down, you need to stop the thc. Instead people say it's medicinal and they use it recreationally and with no limits.
I also really like Philip K Dick. His books seem to reflect the psychological manifestations of drug use, especially a scanner darkly and do androids dream. They represent the splitting of the psyche as one spends more and more time high in an alternate perception, until we don't even reconcile the two worlds we live in. A scanner darkly deals exactly with this phenomena.
Great post dude, you seem like an interesting guy.
Thank you brother, both for the kind words & sharing your own experience. One thing I didn't touch on that I think we both have experienced is that with weed (and other drugs) there seems to always eventually come a time that it ceases being fun, and almost always arrives at a point it stops being even tolerable.
For some that occurs with only a few uses. For me, it was well over a decade. Some may not have it happen for fifty years... but that comes with it's own price. Namely, the burnout old stoners that while not a threat or even unpleasant really... don't have much to look back on other than a lifetime of drug use. Most of which they likely only remember bits and pieces of. And back to the way it shifts gears over time, some of the more psychologically enraptured potheads will simply "power through" the intolerability of it. Ignoring what you and I both took note of: it was both the source of and "solution" to a litany of problems that get progressively more pronounced.
I agree that weed does have medicinal uses and it would have a place as medicine, perhaps with different methods of preparation. I think the main issue is that people in the macro sense have mostly lost the ability to self regulate, so excess is the natural destination for most. I know I've lost plenty of friends along the way, both from death/overdose as well as seeing them turn into unrecognizable and sometimes contemptible husks of who they once were and necessitating being completely cut out of my life. Make's me think of the post script from A Scanner Darkly.
I agree wholeheartedly on PKD. I actually went and grabbed my copy of A Scanner Darkly that I haven't read in some time (I have most of his work, including several collections of his short stories) because I remembered a passage early in it that felt pertinent:
>Life in Anaheim, California, was a commercial for itself, endlessly replayed.
>Nothing changed; it just spread out farther and farther in the form of neon ooze. What there was always more of had been congealed into permanence long ago, as if the automatic factory that cranked out these objects had jammed in the on position. How the land became plastic, he thought, remembering the fairy tale "How the Sea Became Salt."
>Someday, he thought, it'll be mandatory that we all sell the McDonald's hamburger as well as buy it; we'll sell it back and forth to each other forever from our living rooms. That way we won't even have to go outside.
There is of course a ton of prescience all over his work, he was supremely intelligent & talented. But for something written in 1977 he predicted (as nothing more than what I'm sure he had as a musing himself and wrote down as Arctor's thoughts) the doordash/gig economy with astounding clarity. A bunch of shutins who only step outside to deliver food and other shit to eachother, to have enough money to afford their vices & the hovel they consume them in, so that they can go home and have the same process done for them. Rinse and repeat in perpetuity.
Are you familiar with PKD's exegesis? If not, it's fascinating.
Was also the basis for one of his last works, the Valis Trilogy, which was simultaneously some of his best & least approachable writing. For me it was profound, especially for the time in my life when I read it.
Thanks again for the message, not often I get to discuss such topics in depth anymore. The focus here is where it should be, but conversations like this are quite welcome.
I rarely speak to anyone but my wife about many things like this. Barely anyone I talk to reads anything at all and fewer yet have read PKD despite the fact his writing is really quite approachable. And its definitely applicable to the current world. His descriptions of life in future California basically mirrored my reality, the characters in A Scanner Darkly seemed like a lot of the people I grew up around, living in the coastal west. I remember seeing people, parents of friends, that acted like these burned out labile characters that are in the story. I should read some of his works again, I think I'd get more out of them. Especially Androids.
My dad actually mentions this issue, he calls it sameness. The same products everywhere, the same jobs, the same education. The system perfects itself and transforms itself into a dull monotone f efficiency before it falls. He said Rome died of sameness. It's like the McDonald's hamburgers PKD mentions, which make me cringe when I see the same corpos everywhere. I want to take my wife out of the country for a trip, not just tourist Mexico and Canada where she has been, but I want to show her something different because this shit is all the same. Although it's spreading worldwide too.
As for the exegesis and the Valis trilogy I've never heard of either so I'll read your link and try and find them. I need a new book and I really enjoy his writing style, it's good prose but not endlessly flowery and pretentious. I'd love to talk more about it if you have any other suggestions etc. I enjoyed hearing your perspective.
Weed kept me locked in a habit loop of weed. I wasn't having fun anymore. I wasn't sleeping and eating well, which was why I started smoking in the first place, and weed was the cause.
I think weed has potential as a medication with a strict dosage and for an acute illness. I remember getting food poisoning very bad overseas and i couldn't even eat or drink due to puking until I vaped some weed thc, which got me able to keep food down. I lost like 20% of my body weight so it was dangerous. But once you get through the actual dangerous part of not keeping fluids and food down, you need to stop the thc. Instead people say it's medicinal and they use it recreationally and with no limits.
I also really like Philip K Dick. His books seem to reflect the psychological manifestations of drug use, especially a scanner darkly and do androids dream. They represent the splitting of the psyche as one spends more and more time high in an alternate perception, until we don't even reconcile the two worlds we live in. A scanner darkly deals exactly with this phenomena.
Great post dude, you seem like an interesting guy.
For some that occurs with only a few uses. For me, it was well over a decade. Some may not have it happen for fifty years... but that comes with it's own price. Namely, the burnout old stoners that while not a threat or even unpleasant really... don't have much to look back on other than a lifetime of drug use. Most of which they likely only remember bits and pieces of. And back to the way it shifts gears over time, some of the more psychologically enraptured potheads will simply "power through" the intolerability of it. Ignoring what you and I both took note of: it was both the source of and "solution" to a litany of problems that get progressively more pronounced.
I agree that weed does have medicinal uses and it would have a place as medicine, perhaps with different methods of preparation. I think the main issue is that people in the macro sense have mostly lost the ability to self regulate, so excess is the natural destination for most. I know I've lost plenty of friends along the way, both from death/overdose as well as seeing them turn into unrecognizable and sometimes contemptible husks of who they once were and necessitating being completely cut out of my life. Make's me think of the post script from A Scanner Darkly.
I agree wholeheartedly on PKD. I actually went and grabbed my copy of A Scanner Darkly that I haven't read in some time (I have most of his work, including several collections of his short stories) because I remembered a passage early in it that felt pertinent:
>Life in Anaheim, California, was a commercial for itself, endlessly replayed.
>Nothing changed; it just spread out farther and farther in the form of neon ooze. What there was always more of had been congealed into permanence long ago, as if the automatic factory that cranked out these objects had jammed in the on position. How the land became plastic, he thought, remembering the fairy tale "How the Sea Became Salt."
>Someday, he thought, it'll be mandatory that we all sell the McDonald's hamburger as well as buy it; we'll sell it back and forth to each other forever from our living rooms. That way we won't even have to go outside.
There is of course a ton of prescience all over his work, he was supremely intelligent & talented. But for something written in 1977 he predicted (as nothing more than what I'm sure he had as a musing himself and wrote down as Arctor's thoughts) the doordash/gig economy with astounding clarity. A bunch of shutins who only step outside to deliver food and other shit to eachother, to have enough money to afford their vices & the hovel they consume them in, so that they can go home and have the same process done for them. Rinse and repeat in perpetuity.
Are you familiar with PKD's exegesis? If not, it's fascinating.
http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/history-notes-special-the-exegesis-of-philip-k-dick/
Was also the basis for one of his last works, the Valis Trilogy, which was simultaneously some of his best & least approachable writing. For me it was profound, especially for the time in my life when I read it.
Thanks again for the message, not often I get to discuss such topics in depth anymore. The focus here is where it should be, but conversations like this are quite welcome.
My dad actually mentions this issue, he calls it sameness. The same products everywhere, the same jobs, the same education. The system perfects itself and transforms itself into a dull monotone f efficiency before it falls. He said Rome died of sameness. It's like the McDonald's hamburgers PKD mentions, which make me cringe when I see the same corpos everywhere. I want to take my wife out of the country for a trip, not just tourist Mexico and Canada where she has been, but I want to show her something different because this shit is all the same. Although it's spreading worldwide too.
As for the exegesis and the Valis trilogy I've never heard of either so I'll read your link and try and find them. I need a new book and I really enjoy his writing style, it's good prose but not endlessly flowery and pretentious. I'd love to talk more about it if you have any other suggestions etc. I enjoyed hearing your perspective.