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It also directly says this in the scriptures, basically, that God gave even Pagan nations their own land to have. Josephus, one of the last actual Jews from the second temple period, even stated that all the ancient Hebrews believed that Babel was confused because Nimrod was encouraging the races to mix and God wanted to prevent the inevitable infighting that would occur as a result of them being in such close proximity, so He scattered them all across the earth.
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>5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”
Idk, when I went through this part of Genesis recently, it reads to me like God has some sort of fear of his creation growing too powerful. Like they actually *would've* achieved a monolithic utopia if they'd been permitted to continue, and dividing them into races was a means of crippling them. I also got this vibe when I read the passage of him casting man out of Eden so that they could not access the fruit of life and become "like God."
It seems to align with reality as far as I can tell, as well. Because really, what *is* good about there being multiple races? The only noble races are Whites and (sort of) East Asians, and interracial conflict is one of the greatest sources of human bloodshed throughout history.
"One race the human race," is not folly as an ideal (which is why it is so seducing,) but only because it is a physical impossibility that only creates chaos if you seek to manifest it.
But if it *were* possible, it would almost certainly be a better reality than the one we currently inhabit. Really, imagine if Europeans were the only race of humans to ever exist on earth.
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>it reads to me like God has some sort of fear of his creation growing too powerful
Thats not the case, God is being sarcastic in both telling Adam and Eve that they "are like Him" (In fact, He's borderline mocking them for their stupidity and disobedience) and claiming that "nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.". God has nothing to fear from His own creation, simply because He could destroy it with a mere thought. God didnt confuse the languages because He felt threatened by Nimrod's rebellion against Him, He did it because He knew that the multiracial dystopia Nirmod had built via tyranny would inevitably fracture along racial lines and destroy itself in a violent bloodbath, so He ended it before it could reach that point by confusing the languages. God created a multitude of races of varying degrees of intelligence, because He likes *actual* diversity, its also why there are so many plants and animals. God never intended for things to become mixed up and come into conflict, that is the work of the devil and wicked men who think they are gods.
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Sounds like some Bible Extended Universe lore. I don't know the deal on who Nimrod is or how he interacts with the story, those are just my thoughts on the straight Genesis text.
I double checked them and I *guess* I could see a sarcasm angle... but it just doesn't stick out that way as my first instinct. Though to be fair, God as a literary character in these stories is really schizo to try and pin down in terms of motives and thought processes, so I guess almost anything is fair game.
Like when I finished the flood narrative, my jaw dropped when I read,
>21 The Lord smelled the soothing aroma, and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
Huh?? How is the omniscient God having an epiphany that "Y'know what? Mankind is just evil by nature, and sometimes they burn a mean sacrifice, so no point in wiping them all out like I just did."
I'm interested in reading the whole bible at least once, but these instances, which seem to be many in the old testament especially, give me a headache.
>The Lord smelled the soothing aroma, and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
This is another case of God speaking figuratively, because He doesnt have passions, it wasnt the smell of the sacrifice that pleased Him, it was the Righteousness of Noah. He knew from the moment He created Man that Man would have the capacity for great evil, solely because of the nature of Free Will.
I *highly* recommend getting a Douay-Rheims, it has nice footnotes that clarify some of the more confusing passages.
You're right. God does the same thing in Genesis 2. He kicks Adam and Eve out before they find the tree of life and become more powerful. He curses all serpents for the deeds of the one. God is petty and spiteful.
You misread what I said, God was punishing Adam and Eve for being disobedient retards, they didnt actually gain any real insight from eating the Fruit, it was a complete lie from the Devil disguised as a snake.
-Pope Pius XII
Idk, when I went through this part of Genesis recently, it reads to me like God has some sort of fear of his creation growing too powerful. Like they actually *would've* achieved a monolithic utopia if they'd been permitted to continue, and dividing them into races was a means of crippling them. I also got this vibe when I read the passage of him casting man out of Eden so that they could not access the fruit of life and become "like God."
It seems to align with reality as far as I can tell, as well. Because really, what *is* good about there being multiple races? The only noble races are Whites and (sort of) East Asians, and interracial conflict is one of the greatest sources of human bloodshed throughout history.
"One race the human race," is not folly as an ideal (which is why it is so seducing,) but only because it is a physical impossibility that only creates chaos if you seek to manifest it.
But if it *were* possible, it would almost certainly be a better reality than the one we currently inhabit. Really, imagine if Europeans were the only race of humans to ever exist on earth.
Thats not the case, God is being sarcastic in both telling Adam and Eve that they "are like Him" (In fact, He's borderline mocking them for their stupidity and disobedience) and claiming that "nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.". God has nothing to fear from His own creation, simply because He could destroy it with a mere thought. God didnt confuse the languages because He felt threatened by Nimrod's rebellion against Him, He did it because He knew that the multiracial dystopia Nirmod had built via tyranny would inevitably fracture along racial lines and destroy itself in a violent bloodbath, so He ended it before it could reach that point by confusing the languages. God created a multitude of races of varying degrees of intelligence, because He likes *actual* diversity, its also why there are so many plants and animals. God never intended for things to become mixed up and come into conflict, that is the work of the devil and wicked men who think they are gods.
I double checked them and I *guess* I could see a sarcasm angle... but it just doesn't stick out that way as my first instinct. Though to be fair, God as a literary character in these stories is really schizo to try and pin down in terms of motives and thought processes, so I guess almost anything is fair game.
Like when I finished the flood narrative, my jaw dropped when I read,
>21 The Lord smelled the soothing aroma, and the Lord said to Himself, “I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man’s heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
Huh?? How is the omniscient God having an epiphany that "Y'know what? Mankind is just evil by nature, and sometimes they burn a mean sacrifice, so no point in wiping them all out like I just did."
I'm interested in reading the whole bible at least once, but these instances, which seem to be many in the old testament especially, give me a headache.
This is another case of God speaking figuratively, because He doesnt have passions, it wasnt the smell of the sacrifice that pleased Him, it was the Righteousness of Noah. He knew from the moment He created Man that Man would have the capacity for great evil, solely because of the nature of Free Will.
I *highly* recommend getting a Douay-Rheims, it has nice footnotes that clarify some of the more confusing passages.
That's exactly what apologetics is.