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I'm going to start out with this "not gonna lie" preface because I know it might not be received well here.
The "evil moustache man" is a two-edged sword and the fact that Germany relied on a "cult of personality" is ultimately what led to their downfall. The ideas are one thing, but to try to condense all of the hope of a nation into a single person is another thing.
It's one thing to stir up the hearts of your countrymen but it's an entirely different thing to manage the logistics of war. On the first account he is without equal, on the second account he was awful.
(if any history buffs want to correct me please feel free)
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I don't think it's fair to say he was awful at managing the logistics of war, especially since it was National Socialist Germany and Imperial Japan (with a rather negligible contribution from Mussolini's Italy) facing the combined strength, production power, and vindictive jew ratclaws puppeteering the rest of the developed world. By any metric it's incredible what was accomplished, both during and before the war. Most especially how Hitler and the German people pulled themselves out of being almost completely destitute, demoralized, and denigrated...in such a short period of time after putting an end to the degenerate Weimar republic.
All of that said, there were undoubtedly critical mistakes made. The first in my mind would be not doing what he was accused of to solve the kike problem. The second was trying to preserve Britain and the west in general, when most of them were completely set on destroying him & his folk (at least the kike puppets like Churchill and FDR absolutely were). The fact so many still think it was a blunder or ignorance that Hitler didn't attack the All-lied forces fleeing Dunkirk (and would've essentially destroyed their ability to wage war effectively then and there) instead of what it really was- compassion for his brother White men... compassion that ultimately destroyed him and Germany. We saw this again and again with the attempts to make peace (when his hand was far stronger than that of Britains or any of the other Western European countries) and those were rebuked, that drunken slob Churchill preferring to buy time and up the fury of the people by sacrificing as many of his own countrymen as possible.
And another fault, in some ways, was his loyalty. Especially to those who were with him in the early days of his movement, but often hampered him later on. Specifically talking about Göring here. I think Hitler felt guilty somewhat because the gunshot wound Göring received during the Beer Hall Putsch is what started his lifelong addiction to morphine. This guy was a WWI ace, a member of Jagdgeschwader I (The Red Baron's "Flying Circus") and otherwise a total Aryan Chad, until that day in November 1923. As his addiction worsened, his counsel and his reliability each also grew worse. He still had moments of brilliance but overall I think was still being relied upon too much all things considered.
There were others in the command structure that should've been either listened to more, or listened to less. But I reiterate, I don't think it's fair to say he did an awful job managing the war. It could've been done better, but then if he could have seen what the world and especially the White race would become 80 years later.... he would've has every kike lined up & shot in a field, firebombed the shit out of the half a million troops fleeing Dunkirk, and waged total war against Britain until they surrendered. Those three things alone completely change the complexion of everything that would've come after, and that all could've been done (and mostly finished) long before summer of 1941.
Italy contribution was not negligible at all. In fact, there were other axis powers that contributed: Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, etc.
With that out of the way, you make some good points but things are not as easy as you present them.
I like to think that Hitler wanted the Aryan race to win, rather than Germany to win. And this is why he didn't bomb Dunkirk, and didn't use chemical weapons, and didn't commit the holocaust. Because if he did, and still lost, then National Socialism would have gone forever.
Nobody would be a National Socialist today if Hitler gassed London.
If he killed all the kikes that he put his hands on, and still lost the war, then the Jewish power would still be controlling the war and very few people today would be National Socialists. I believe most of us went through the journey of discovering that the holocaust didn't happen, and I don't think most of us would have continued the journey if we found it to be real.
I strongly believe that Hitler predicted this.
Germany did do mistakes. Let me try to think of some.
1) Not declaring total war until 1943 when it was too late it's the biggest blunder. Total war means dedicating all the resources of society towards the war effort, which incredibly he didn't do.
2) Improving the alliance with Mussolini; if Germany helped Italy to industrialize, and perhaps gave them some good generals and military training, Italy would have been formidable. Italy had a good fleet, lots of people, and colonies to exploit. Libya has oil which would have won them WWII if they knew about it and could exploit it in time. If the Axis was able to control the Mediterranean, they would have won. He should have also highlighted the danger of the communists to Mussolini and convinced him to get rid of them and seize power. If you think Hitler was too nice, Mussolini was fucking Santa Claus.
3) Historians are split on whether he did well in not getting Moscow when he had the chance, instead going after land and resources. Would the Bolsheviks had fallen if Moscow fell? No one knows.
>Improving the alliance with Mussolini; if Germany helped Italy to industrialize, and perhaps gave them some good generals and military training, Italy would have been formidable.
This is a very good point, but I'll chime in and say that Italy itself had a major issue that was one of *Mussolinis* blunders.
Incompetent royalists in position of power. The Italian monarchy was a corrupt and freemason shitshow. Mussolini put too much faith in the Italian monarchy, when the Italian monarchy was rotten to the core to begin with. "Bolsheviking" the house of savoy would have been 100% excusable because the house of savoy was made up of evil traitors. And most of the royal general staff and admiralty were incompetent morons who got their positions by good relationships with the monarchy and not by merit. And literally all of them, without fail, were traitors and abandoned Mussolini in 1943. Only the fascist officers stayed by him, particularly Graziani. The poor performance of the Italian military in its leadership ranks was, honestly, quite possibly legitimate sabatoge by a zionist dynasty
Mussolini should have removed the house of savoy entirely, and purged the entire upper echelon of the military and replaced them with fascist generals rather than royalist ones. Italy should have been the Italian Social Republic already in 1922 instead of 1943. That dynasty needed to *go*. I understand why he kept it as an appeal to Italian tradition, but it hampered everything that mussolini tried to do and, as I already said, it was an evil dynasty. The communists, while they should have been purged as you said, were really a lot less of a hindrance to mussolini when he was in power than the house of savoy.
Plus what you already said.
If you combined those 2 solutions, Italy would have been a powerhouse on the same (or close to it) level as Germany
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>Historians are split on whether he did well in not getting Moscow when he had the chance, instead going after land and resources. Would the Bolsheviks had fallen if Moscow fell? No one knows.
Land and resources was the right option. The USSR was not going to fall if it didn't have Moscow. There were way more places in the soviet union that the government could have operated out of, and the soviets were absolutely hell bent on *not* surrendering, and they would have a German army with no resources to deal with, so they wouldn't have ever stopped and the war probably would have been won faster by the ussr than it actually was (because the German army would be logistically *fucked* if they bumrushed Moscow). There was no easy way to deal with the giant soviet union, and with the western allies being a part of the war on the western front, and japan being preoccupied with the US, it was not possible to win regardless of what they did, but taking land and resources was the best option possible at the time. Without the western allies though, Germany could have won, but still would probably do best to get a steady supply of resources because it's still a huge undertaking to go through with no matter what
History has repeatedly shown that good people are easy to conquer and control, en masse, if they don't have a strong leader to condense onto, to rally behind, to give voice to the people. There's a near endless stream of historical examples of nations being little more than dirt, a strong leader rises, the nation becomes uber powerful under that leader, the leader dies, and the nation goes back to obscurity.
I agree that a people must not be too reliant on strong leaders. However, given the preponderance of evidence for what strong leaders are capable of doing, people should set in stone, through traditions, behaviors, and philosophies, ways to better enable their populace to produce strong leaders, but more importantly, set in stone ways to better produce virtuous, wise, and strong men, in general.
Like you said, far too often people place too much burden on one man, or few men, which only fosters weakness among the rest of the populace, who hope that a singular strong leader, that a few good men, will do for them what they should be doing themselves, that only the strong few at the top will save them. It's an abdication of responsibility, which should never be taken too far, that others should do for us what we should be doing ourselves. It's expecting other people to save us, when we should save ourselves. It's hypocritical and self defeating. Placing too much burden on one man, or a few, also leaves them open to mistakes, gaps in their knowledge base, that is easily corrected by having numerous men of multiple disciplines partake in the effort.
Everyone fights, no one quits. Any man too weak to fight, who abdicates his responsibility as protector and provider, who advocates for pacifism in the face of abject evil, who won't act to save everyone and everything he loves, those are weak men, and they drag down everyone around them. The one caveat is old men incapable of fighting, and if society were healthy, would be prized more for their wisdom, which they should be passing onto the next generations. Strong leaders naturally arise out of a people who build strong men. Both are necessary to build and maintain a healthy nation.
Unfortunately, I see far too much abdication and clinging to comforts among the MAGA right. They're committing every mistake, placing too much hope onto one man, an extremely weak leader, a false savior, with proposed solutions and policies that either don't go far enough, or actively serve our enemies, attempting the same failed solutions over and over, they continually abdicate their responsibilities, they advocate for pacifism, they demonize collectivization, strength, wisdom, virtue, and violence, they use words, ideas, arguments, and philosophies of our enemies, and they cling to their comforts, living in an ever shrinking gilded cage, hoping that someone else will save them, so they don't have to get off their fat asses and do a damned thing.
I strongly disagree with the idea that Hitler was bad at managing the war. This is a common Jewish lie to try to make us lose respect of the great man.
In reality, it is difficult to assess his abilities. You need to go through a complicated process:
1) What Germany did wrong
2) What they should have done instead
3) If they could have known what they should have done, with the information they had at the time
4) What Hitler actually ordered, as opposed to what was actually done by his generals (which is sometimes difficult or impossible to know).
We know for a fact that there were traitors running the military command and some of the biggest blunders of the German military, according to some historians at least, were due to the traitors violating Hitler's orders. For instance, attacking Stalingrad.
The "evil moustache man" is a two-edged sword and the fact that Germany relied on a "cult of personality" is ultimately what led to their downfall. The ideas are one thing, but to try to condense all of the hope of a nation into a single person is another thing.
It's one thing to stir up the hearts of your countrymen but it's an entirely different thing to manage the logistics of war. On the first account he is without equal, on the second account he was awful.
(if any history buffs want to correct me please feel free)
All of that said, there were undoubtedly critical mistakes made. The first in my mind would be not doing what he was accused of to solve the kike problem. The second was trying to preserve Britain and the west in general, when most of them were completely set on destroying him & his folk (at least the kike puppets like Churchill and FDR absolutely were). The fact so many still think it was a blunder or ignorance that Hitler didn't attack the All-lied forces fleeing Dunkirk (and would've essentially destroyed their ability to wage war effectively then and there) instead of what it really was- compassion for his brother White men... compassion that ultimately destroyed him and Germany. We saw this again and again with the attempts to make peace (when his hand was far stronger than that of Britains or any of the other Western European countries) and those were rebuked, that drunken slob Churchill preferring to buy time and up the fury of the people by sacrificing as many of his own countrymen as possible.
And another fault, in some ways, was his loyalty. Especially to those who were with him in the early days of his movement, but often hampered him later on. Specifically talking about Göring here. I think Hitler felt guilty somewhat because the gunshot wound Göring received during the Beer Hall Putsch is what started his lifelong addiction to morphine. This guy was a WWI ace, a member of Jagdgeschwader I (The Red Baron's "Flying Circus") and otherwise a total Aryan Chad, until that day in November 1923. As his addiction worsened, his counsel and his reliability each also grew worse. He still had moments of brilliance but overall I think was still being relied upon too much all things considered.
There were others in the command structure that should've been either listened to more, or listened to less. But I reiterate, I don't think it's fair to say he did an awful job managing the war. It could've been done better, but then if he could have seen what the world and especially the White race would become 80 years later.... he would've has every kike lined up & shot in a field, firebombed the shit out of the half a million troops fleeing Dunkirk, and waged total war against Britain until they surrendered. Those three things alone completely change the complexion of everything that would've come after, and that all could've been done (and mostly finished) long before summer of 1941.
With that out of the way, you make some good points but things are not as easy as you present them.
I like to think that Hitler wanted the Aryan race to win, rather than Germany to win. And this is why he didn't bomb Dunkirk, and didn't use chemical weapons, and didn't commit the holocaust. Because if he did, and still lost, then National Socialism would have gone forever.
Nobody would be a National Socialist today if Hitler gassed London.
If he killed all the kikes that he put his hands on, and still lost the war, then the Jewish power would still be controlling the war and very few people today would be National Socialists. I believe most of us went through the journey of discovering that the holocaust didn't happen, and I don't think most of us would have continued the journey if we found it to be real.
I strongly believe that Hitler predicted this.
Germany did do mistakes. Let me try to think of some.
1) Not declaring total war until 1943 when it was too late it's the biggest blunder. Total war means dedicating all the resources of society towards the war effort, which incredibly he didn't do.
2) Improving the alliance with Mussolini; if Germany helped Italy to industrialize, and perhaps gave them some good generals and military training, Italy would have been formidable. Italy had a good fleet, lots of people, and colonies to exploit. Libya has oil which would have won them WWII if they knew about it and could exploit it in time. If the Axis was able to control the Mediterranean, they would have won. He should have also highlighted the danger of the communists to Mussolini and convinced him to get rid of them and seize power. If you think Hitler was too nice, Mussolini was fucking Santa Claus.
3) Historians are split on whether he did well in not getting Moscow when he had the chance, instead going after land and resources. Would the Bolsheviks had fallen if Moscow fell? No one knows.
This is a very good point, but I'll chime in and say that Italy itself had a major issue that was one of *Mussolinis* blunders.
Incompetent royalists in position of power. The Italian monarchy was a corrupt and freemason shitshow. Mussolini put too much faith in the Italian monarchy, when the Italian monarchy was rotten to the core to begin with. "Bolsheviking" the house of savoy would have been 100% excusable because the house of savoy was made up of evil traitors. And most of the royal general staff and admiralty were incompetent morons who got their positions by good relationships with the monarchy and not by merit. And literally all of them, without fail, were traitors and abandoned Mussolini in 1943. Only the fascist officers stayed by him, particularly Graziani. The poor performance of the Italian military in its leadership ranks was, honestly, quite possibly legitimate sabatoge by a zionist dynasty
Mussolini should have removed the house of savoy entirely, and purged the entire upper echelon of the military and replaced them with fascist generals rather than royalist ones. Italy should have been the Italian Social Republic already in 1922 instead of 1943. That dynasty needed to *go*. I understand why he kept it as an appeal to Italian tradition, but it hampered everything that mussolini tried to do and, as I already said, it was an evil dynasty. The communists, while they should have been purged as you said, were really a lot less of a hindrance to mussolini when he was in power than the house of savoy.
Plus what you already said.
If you combined those 2 solutions, Italy would have been a powerhouse on the same (or close to it) level as Germany
Edit:
>Historians are split on whether he did well in not getting Moscow when he had the chance, instead going after land and resources. Would the Bolsheviks had fallen if Moscow fell? No one knows.
Land and resources was the right option. The USSR was not going to fall if it didn't have Moscow. There were way more places in the soviet union that the government could have operated out of, and the soviets were absolutely hell bent on *not* surrendering, and they would have a German army with no resources to deal with, so they wouldn't have ever stopped and the war probably would have been won faster by the ussr than it actually was (because the German army would be logistically *fucked* if they bumrushed Moscow). There was no easy way to deal with the giant soviet union, and with the western allies being a part of the war on the western front, and japan being preoccupied with the US, it was not possible to win regardless of what they did, but taking land and resources was the best option possible at the time. Without the western allies though, Germany could have won, but still would probably do best to get a steady supply of resources because it's still a huge undertaking to go through with no matter what
I agree that a people must not be too reliant on strong leaders. However, given the preponderance of evidence for what strong leaders are capable of doing, people should set in stone, through traditions, behaviors, and philosophies, ways to better enable their populace to produce strong leaders, but more importantly, set in stone ways to better produce virtuous, wise, and strong men, in general.
Like you said, far too often people place too much burden on one man, or few men, which only fosters weakness among the rest of the populace, who hope that a singular strong leader, that a few good men, will do for them what they should be doing themselves, that only the strong few at the top will save them. It's an abdication of responsibility, which should never be taken too far, that others should do for us what we should be doing ourselves. It's expecting other people to save us, when we should save ourselves. It's hypocritical and self defeating. Placing too much burden on one man, or a few, also leaves them open to mistakes, gaps in their knowledge base, that is easily corrected by having numerous men of multiple disciplines partake in the effort.
Everyone fights, no one quits. Any man too weak to fight, who abdicates his responsibility as protector and provider, who advocates for pacifism in the face of abject evil, who won't act to save everyone and everything he loves, those are weak men, and they drag down everyone around them. The one caveat is old men incapable of fighting, and if society were healthy, would be prized more for their wisdom, which they should be passing onto the next generations. Strong leaders naturally arise out of a people who build strong men. Both are necessary to build and maintain a healthy nation.
Unfortunately, I see far too much abdication and clinging to comforts among the MAGA right. They're committing every mistake, placing too much hope onto one man, an extremely weak leader, a false savior, with proposed solutions and policies that either don't go far enough, or actively serve our enemies, attempting the same failed solutions over and over, they continually abdicate their responsibilities, they advocate for pacifism, they demonize collectivization, strength, wisdom, virtue, and violence, they use words, ideas, arguments, and philosophies of our enemies, and they cling to their comforts, living in an ever shrinking gilded cage, hoping that someone else will save them, so they don't have to get off their fat asses and do a damned thing.
In reality, it is difficult to assess his abilities. You need to go through a complicated process:
1) What Germany did wrong
2) What they should have done instead
3) If they could have known what they should have done, with the information they had at the time
4) What Hitler actually ordered, as opposed to what was actually done by his generals (which is sometimes difficult or impossible to know).
We know for a fact that there were traitors running the military command and some of the biggest blunders of the German military, according to some historians at least, were due to the traitors violating Hitler's orders. For instance, attacking Stalingrad.