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posted 1 year ago by ScallionPancake on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror )
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MrBaptist on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
> as a Christian I support Israel because of the Bible

Because [the jews today are the descendants of the ancient Israelites](https://archive.is/oLK5q), right?

> researchers have already mapped the DNA of ancient Canaanites, showing that they had a strong ancestral connection to modern-day Jewish and Arab populations

...oh.
StaticNoise2 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Then who were the Jews that Paul wished he could be accursed for their sake?

Who were the Jews who Paul said are experiencing a temporary hardening but will be restored and that the grafted on branches shouldn't be conceited lest they be cut off.

Who is Paul referring to?
MrBaptist on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Let's clarify things first. When the New Testament says "jew", is this the same as an "Israelite"?

"Israelite" is 100% racial - i.e., one who is a literal blood descendant of the twelve tribes (the twelve sons of the patriarch Jacob).

Now consider [Herod the Great](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great). Herod was appointed king of Judaea, but he wasn't an Israelite - Herod was an Edomite. Being an Edomite, Herod had zero legitimate claim to the throne, so this is also part of why he was terrified and enraged when he learned about Jesus's birth and planned to kill Him.

How were there Edomites in Israelite lands? About 100 years before Christ, the Edomites [became converted](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom#Hellenistic_period) and were considered Judaeans. Besides this, the northern kingdom of Israel never returned from exile, and the Bible mentions other miscellaneous peoples in the area after the deportations (who then all fell under Rome's rule).

As you can see, it would be equally fair to render "jew" in the New Testament as "Judaean" (one residing in the Roman province of Judaea) - one who is a "jew" by geography and/or religion, but not necessarily of the literal tribe of Judah (or even of any of the other tribes of Israel).

When Paul wished that "I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh" (Romans 9), by his very words he is feeling empathy for his blood relatives, not the inhabitants of Judaea in general.

Treating "jew" as synonymous with "Israelite" is simply not what the New Testament authors intended.

Abraham was not related to the Canaanites; Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not marry Canaanites (their wives were all relatives from far beyond Canaan), and God specifically forbade them and later the Israelites from intermarrying with the Canaanites, so we would not expect the blood descendants of Jacob today to align with Canaanite blood - but we know Esau took wives exclusively of the Canaanites, so the descendants of the Edomites would indeed have very strong Canaanite blood.

Knowing this, what conclusion can we reach when we learn the jews today have very strong Canaanite blood?
AmericanInterests on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
>hello fellow Christians
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