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1 year ago13 points(+0/-0/+13Score on mirror)3 children
Strange considering the ending , the entire plot was a philosophical debate of Veidt and Manhattan on one side who embody "the ends justifies the means" vs a Kantian-like "strict obedience to the moral imperative" embodied by Kovacs siding with truth no matter what.
Perhaps Moore doent even understand the irony. It's the liberal marxists who all believe the ends justifies the means. (Murder 5 people if it saves 10). Rorschach was a character conservatives liked, because he was the only one with integrity and a moral compass that functioned. While they plotted to destroy new york, including all the kids and innocent people. Rorschach, on the other hand, was a truth absolutist, who only went after the guilty.
Seemed pretty obvious the entire point was to criticize the left's impossibly dysfunctional central planning. But that dynamic apparently went over his own head. Liberals can't even write favorable fiction without their stories unraveling.
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>While they plotted to destroy new york, including all the kids and innocent people. Rorschach, on the other hand, was a truth absolutist, who only went after the guilty.
It's worth mentioning that while Veidt and Manhattan lived in neary literal ivory towers, Rorschacht was the only one really on the ground, interacting with the people who were killed for a "better world".
He had no problem killing and brutalizing criminals every single day, while his counterparts attended catered meetings with the creme of society, and he *still* refused to stand by and let good people be sacrificed, even though none of them ever did anything for him, by all accounts.
It's still an *excellent* metaphor for Telescope Philanthropists; people willing to cram tenements full of poor people then add predators and criminals in order to "save" them, sacrificing the well-being of everyone else. Or the people to whom vax side-effects were a "small price to pay". Or who would rather help refugees instead of their own neighbours. These people, almost entirely Leftists, refuse to ever actually interact with anyone they're "helping" unless it's to be thanked, because if they did they might realize that they aren't actually helping anyone.
Apparently both Wikipedia and Google has taken it down, which was once a off cited picture, (which means it's probably very effective and worth archiving.)
I agree that Watchmen is actually perfect for this.
Other movies such as Hugh Grant's Extreme Measures, are very superficial.
The movie Swordfish with Travolta ("terrorist" version of Veidt) and Jackman ("good guy" version of Korvacs) were also meant to be shallow debates on train track morality.
But as you've pointed out, Watchmen almost seems to be a psychics criticism of the future Telescope Philanthropists, more relevant today than ever.
The ending was the worst part where all the normie superheroes were all like "huh, I never thought of it that way. You are so right! You are so smart. You should do whatever you think is best. WE won't get in your way! Anyway, time to give up being a superhero and go live in the suburbs in a tract home with a small yard, driveway, and garage after marrying the person I am simply most familiar with because I have known them a long time even though we have never been in a relationship before!"
Perhaps Moore doent even understand the irony. It's the liberal marxists who all believe the ends justifies the means. (Murder 5 people if it saves 10). Rorschach was a character conservatives liked, because he was the only one with integrity and a moral compass that functioned. While they plotted to destroy new york, including all the kids and innocent people. Rorschach, on the other hand, was a truth absolutist, who only went after the guilty.
Seemed pretty obvious the entire point was to criticize the left's impossibly dysfunctional central planning. But that dynamic apparently went over his own head. Liberals can't even write favorable fiction without their stories unraveling.
It's worth mentioning that while Veidt and Manhattan lived in neary literal ivory towers, Rorschacht was the only one really on the ground, interacting with the people who were killed for a "better world".
He had no problem killing and brutalizing criminals every single day, while his counterparts attended catered meetings with the creme of society, and he *still* refused to stand by and let good people be sacrificed, even though none of them ever did anything for him, by all accounts.
It's still an *excellent* metaphor for Telescope Philanthropists; people willing to cram tenements full of poor people then add predators and criminals in order to "save" them, sacrificing the well-being of everyone else. Or the people to whom vax side-effects were a "small price to pay". Or who would rather help refugees instead of their own neighbours. These people, almost entirely Leftists, refuse to ever actually interact with anyone they're "helping" unless it's to be thanked, because if they did they might realize that they aren't actually helping anyone.
https://magazine.punch.co.uk/image/I0000DEqTg7vKB3w
Apparently both Wikipedia and Google has taken it down, which was once a off cited picture, (which means it's probably very effective and worth archiving.)
I agree that Watchmen is actually perfect for this.
Other movies such as Hugh Grant's Extreme Measures, are very superficial.
The movie Swordfish with Travolta ("terrorist" version of Veidt) and Jackman ("good guy" version of Korvacs) were also meant to be shallow debates on train track morality.
But as you've pointed out, Watchmen almost seems to be a psychics criticism of the future Telescope Philanthropists, more relevant today than ever.