I became Christian about 7 years ago. I spent a few years preparing to go to the churches by extensively studying the scripture. I did not ever consult any established doctrine and I did not ask people questions where I was confused. Instead I continued reading and, in some cases it took years to answer a question. My understanding of the scripture is more or less the product of my own experience, though retained by my brief childhood Sunday school education, which allowed me not to fall into utter deviation from established normalcy.
About 3 years ago, I started looking for a church and engaging with their doctrines. I had assumed that Christians were largely like I was, seeking to forego the flesh in search of the spirit. How wrong I was.
The first church I stepped into in my entire adult life told me that sin had no consequence, that a Christian was free to do whatever he wanted. Salvation could not be revoked. I was very confused, as I had until that point never come across this theology.
From that point on, I became hyper aware of this poisonous doctrine. I started prodding the people online who would always post Jesus stuff. The answer was always: salvation comes upon confession of Christ and can not be revoked EVER. You are without sin from that point on, and there is no point to even trying to better yourself, as you're then possessed by the holy spirit and everything you do is good.
This preposterous self righteousness is always followed by a wag of the finger: oh, you ignorant simpleton! Charity and virtue don't actually matter. You're just a Papist, an idolatrous Mary worshipping Satanist!
Now, here I am struggling against the flesh in the name of my God and everywhere I seek refuge I find people who have adopted the flesh while invoking Jesus and wagging their finger at me. Working out is a sin, but not eating McDonalds. These people have turned their sin into virtue, and where I seek to better virtue, they have labeled it sin. I found little of anything but a stumbling block in the Churches. This includes the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. That said, I have great respect for the traditions of Catholic Church and I believe that their theology is the most correct that I have come across.
Recently, it seems that I have fallen into some sort of apostacy. I am not turning from Christ or from God, but rather I am freeing myself from the reigns of established doctrine. I have taken a second look into the Old Testament for justification.
Within it we see what must be considered to be obvious sin, though these people are named saints. We see blatant lies told by Jacob and Judith, deception, genocide, polygamy, racialism, conquests, etc.
There are two consensuses I am told, the first by anti-jews who try to separate us from them as much as possible and on the other hand the usual explanation by the churches. 1. The OT is a product of satanic jewry and should be utterly disregarded or 2. it simply doesn't apply to us and was a blessed covenant between only God and Israel. Both of which are incorrect notions.
Only a portion of the OT is fulfilled. The LAW of MOSES has been identified in the NT as a physical law, produced in an attempt to keep the ever straying ancient Israelites from devil worship. This is Numbers, Duet, Lev. That said, where God says something is an abomination, he did not change his mind. The lessons provided in the OT are absolutely relevant when taken in context with the words of Jesus: *Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.*
When we witness what we might understand to be a sinful act in the OT, it is actually blessed because it was done for the honor or salvation of Israel. Now, we must understand, physical ISRAEL means nothing. We, who are the children of God, are Israel in spirit and we have inherited the Promise of Abraham. The sons of Jacob (who are mostly completely unrelated to the modern jews), who did not convert to Christ, are lost forever. They are cursed and have race mixed themselves out of existence. When Paul says "there is no difference between jew or Greek," he is not speaking to offend the gentile, he is speaking to depredate the jew. He says, you are not special any more, you are not solely God's people. The infidel jew has no salvation by blessing (or curse rather) of blood.
So this is the lesson: the OT applies to us. No, not circumcision. Not "don't eat pork." Not "don't wear two fabrics of differing material." This is the law of Moses and it is fulfilled by Christ, you MUST understand the difference between the Mosaic law and natural law. The contract from Moses is ended. Rather, it is the lessons of Israel itself that apply to us. When pressed by the infidel, do as Israel did. Any act, done in faith, which procures the salvation of God's people (the Christian) is permissible in the eyes of the Holy.
The Muslims and jews have adopted these lessons into their own doctrine and are more or less impervious to infiltration and even more adept at attack. These lessons were at one time incorporated into Christian government but have long been tossed aside. Modern Christians on the other hand have become confined by their supposed honor and moralism. But ironically, going into the churches I found people who did not seem to care for self dignity, honor or for moralism, as I was even told by a preacher about a girl's volleyball game that would be happening after church, as if I'd be interested in watching girls bounce around. I was struggling with nofap at the time.
It seems that this current variation of Christendom is more or less dead. While the infidel worked, Christians relaxed. When struggling, not for Christendom as a whole but for individual admittance into Heaven. God does not favor the idle, but the diligent. God does not favor the single, but the many, though the single will surely be blessed. I think it is time to put the failing doctrines of man to rest. The pearl clutching moralism, the hypocrisy, the denial. Justification and purpose must be found only in scripture. The lessons of the OT can not be forgotten. Christendom must become as Israel was, unified as virtuous brothers and sisters against the infidel, doing charity for one another and working tirelessly against those who would wish to destroy us. Not confined by silly notions of moralism against those who have none and who wish to see us in hell with them.
About 3 years ago, I started looking for a church and engaging with their doctrines. I had assumed that Christians were largely like I was, seeking to forego the flesh in search of the spirit. How wrong I was.
The first church I stepped into in my entire adult life told me that sin had no consequence, that a Christian was free to do whatever he wanted. Salvation could not be revoked. I was very confused, as I had until that point never come across this theology.
From that point on, I became hyper aware of this poisonous doctrine. I started prodding the people online who would always post Jesus stuff. The answer was always: salvation comes upon confession of Christ and can not be revoked EVER. You are without sin from that point on, and there is no point to even trying to better yourself, as you're then possessed by the holy spirit and everything you do is good.
This preposterous self righteousness is always followed by a wag of the finger: oh, you ignorant simpleton! Charity and virtue don't actually matter. You're just a Papist, an idolatrous Mary worshipping Satanist!
Now, here I am struggling against the flesh in the name of my God and everywhere I seek refuge I find people who have adopted the flesh while invoking Jesus and wagging their finger at me. Working out is a sin, but not eating McDonalds. These people have turned their sin into virtue, and where I seek to better virtue, they have labeled it sin. I found little of anything but a stumbling block in the Churches. This includes the Orthodox and Catholic Churches. That said, I have great respect for the traditions of Catholic Church and I believe that their theology is the most correct that I have come across.
Recently, it seems that I have fallen into some sort of apostacy. I am not turning from Christ or from God, but rather I am freeing myself from the reigns of established doctrine. I have taken a second look into the Old Testament for justification.
Within it we see what must be considered to be obvious sin, though these people are named saints. We see blatant lies told by Jacob and Judith, deception, genocide, polygamy, racialism, conquests, etc.
There are two consensuses I am told, the first by anti-jews who try to separate us from them as much as possible and on the other hand the usual explanation by the churches. 1. The OT is a product of satanic jewry and should be utterly disregarded or 2. it simply doesn't apply to us and was a blessed covenant between only God and Israel. Both of which are incorrect notions.
Only a portion of the OT is fulfilled. The LAW of MOSES has been identified in the NT as a physical law, produced in an attempt to keep the ever straying ancient Israelites from devil worship. This is Numbers, Duet, Lev. That said, where God says something is an abomination, he did not change his mind. The lessons provided in the OT are absolutely relevant when taken in context with the words of Jesus: *Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.*
When we witness what we might understand to be a sinful act in the OT, it is actually blessed because it was done for the honor or salvation of Israel. Now, we must understand, physical ISRAEL means nothing. We, who are the children of God, are Israel in spirit and we have inherited the Promise of Abraham. The sons of Jacob (who are mostly completely unrelated to the modern jews), who did not convert to Christ, are lost forever. They are cursed and have race mixed themselves out of existence. When Paul says "there is no difference between jew or Greek," he is not speaking to offend the gentile, he is speaking to depredate the jew. He says, you are not special any more, you are not solely God's people. The infidel jew has no salvation by blessing (or curse rather) of blood.
So this is the lesson: the OT applies to us. No, not circumcision. Not "don't eat pork." Not "don't wear two fabrics of differing material." This is the law of Moses and it is fulfilled by Christ, you MUST understand the difference between the Mosaic law and natural law. The contract from Moses is ended. Rather, it is the lessons of Israel itself that apply to us. When pressed by the infidel, do as Israel did. Any act, done in faith, which procures the salvation of God's people (the Christian) is permissible in the eyes of the Holy.
The Muslims and jews have adopted these lessons into their own doctrine and are more or less impervious to infiltration and even more adept at attack. These lessons were at one time incorporated into Christian government but have long been tossed aside. Modern Christians on the other hand have become confined by their supposed honor and moralism. But ironically, going into the churches I found people who did not seem to care for self dignity, honor or for moralism, as I was even told by a preacher about a girl's volleyball game that would be happening after church, as if I'd be interested in watching girls bounce around. I was struggling with nofap at the time.
It seems that this current variation of Christendom is more or less dead. While the infidel worked, Christians relaxed. When struggling, not for Christendom as a whole but for individual admittance into Heaven. God does not favor the idle, but the diligent. God does not favor the single, but the many, though the single will surely be blessed. I think it is time to put the failing doctrines of man to rest. The pearl clutching moralism, the hypocrisy, the denial. Justification and purpose must be found only in scripture. The lessons of the OT can not be forgotten. Christendom must become as Israel was, unified as virtuous brothers and sisters against the infidel, doing charity for one another and working tirelessly against those who would wish to destroy us. Not confined by silly notions of moralism against those who have none and who wish to see us in hell with them.
The entire thing is a product of divine inspiration. It is the word (lower case w in this case) written by the few prophets who went against the jewry and were severely punished for it. The theme of almost the entire book is "yYou are going to be destroyed. You are going to be destroyed. I am going to reject and destroy you."
If I understand Barnabas correctly, he is not saying that they got the law wrong in how it is written, but the purpose for which it was written. For each physical law, there is a reason behind why it was placed into the book, and that ultimate reason is what makes following that section of the law righteous. The jews thought because they \*do this thing*, that this was righteous. The physical act is not righteous, it is the meaning behind the action which is. Thus St Paul says: "the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life.
>This is something very generously reflected in the talmud
All sin is the perversion of the natural. Lust is the perversion of marriage, greed is the perversion of desire, gluttony is the perversion of requirement. The talmud is the perversion of the written word of God. The jews are a perversion of humanity.
Yeah but that's the crazy part. It *was* divinely inspired, and then the kikes just twisted it all to fit their agenda. Look at the book of esther, for instance. God isn't even mentioned once, the whole book. It's just a pure kike revenge fantasy against the Gentiles.
>It is the word (lower case w in this case) written by the few prophets who went against the jewry and were severely punished for it.
I think the Prophets and the prophecies of Jesus are 100% legit, don't get me wrong, because the kikes *still* seethe about Isaiah 53 to this very day.
>The theme of almost the entire book is "yYou are going to be destroyed. You are going to be destroyed. I am going to reject and destroy you."
Yes, and it very much so happened. But its the whole "turning around and heavily citing leviticus and deuteronomy to justify a WN worldview" thing that concerns me.
>If I understand (((Barnabas))) correctly, he is not saying that they got the law wrong in how it is written, but the purpose for which it was written
He said that circumcision was never meant to be a physical act, much less one of body mutilation. That's quite precise, to me at least.
>The talmud is the perversion of the written word of God. The jews are a perversion of humanity.
Correct, that's why I'm leery about citing their scriptures as a *good* thing.
I am saying do not do this. There is natural law and separately the law prescribed to Israel for their sins. There is a huge difference.
>He said that circumcision was never meant to be a physical act, much less one of body mutilation
I don't remember the latter part. He does tell us that Abraham was correct in circumcising. Like almost everything else in Duet and Lev, there is no reward from maintaining the Israeli law. Incense and the sacrifices mean nothing. There is no circumcision where there is no faith and there is no faith where there is physical circumcision, after the passion of Christ. A physical ritual is not righteous itself unless made so through faith.
One problem with biblical Israel is *even though* they followed the law, they did so in hypocrisy.
>Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
But see, that's the disconnect. What if it really meant nothing *before* the Passion of Christ too, and the jews really did have it all wrong?
>One problem with biblical Israel is even though they followed the law, they did so in hypocrisy.
It was really just because the kikes get off on feeling that they've cheated somebody. The more important the person, the better the feeling. That's why they go to such great lengths *now* so supposedly "cheat God". I argue that it was no different back then than how it is now, except maybe slightly less in magnitude. They followed "the law" (which they most likely made up themselves) in the most ludicrously jewish way possible without giving a hoot to what "the law" or God's Word was actually supposed to mean. Which is why Jesus says "these people honor Me with their lips but their hearts are far from me", and constantly preaches against them.
As an unrelated side note, have you ever checked out the SSPX? They're probably much more in line with a Church that you're looking for.