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Antinomianism is the term your looking for to describe these freaks, and it is a Gnostic belief, heavily tied up in Sabbatean Frankism, though its far older than that cult. The fact that the so-called jews promote a belief that undermines the whole of the Law should be evidence enough that they and their whole religion are utter frauds. And any self-professed "Christian" who follows them and their ruinous belief is well on the wide pathway to destruction. By rejecting the gravity of sin, they reject the necessity of a Savior. God didnt die on a Cross so that men could continue to sin, or magically absolve the whole human race so that their sins were somehow now pleasing to God, He died so that men might have a hope of *Repentance*, because before the Cross, there was no means of salvation, everyone, even the Righteous, went to Hell.
If the jews were being honest (LOL) they'd have to admit that sin is displeasing to God. Just look at all the times God destroyed people before Jesus came to save us. The flood of Noah's time, Sodom and Gomorrah, Adam and Eve getting kicked out of Eden, God commanding the Israelites to slaughter entire peoples (like the Canaanites) because they offended God, and God warned the Israelites that if they didn't kill them (down to the last man, woman, and child), they would remain a thorn in our side for all time (because of their sinful nature). Furthermore, if sin wasn't displeasing to God, there'd be zero reason for God to give us any commandments on how to act righteously. He'd just tell us the satanic verse "do what thou wilt", and let us destroy ourselves.
Diminishment of the severity of sin is inherently satanic.
In non-religious logical terms, it's the argument that people can improve their lives, or continue to enjoy the fruits of their labors, when they embrace lies. It's utterly absurd and patently wrong. If you don't plant seeds, you'll never get crops to grow and eat. Thus, if you don't do the work required to enjoy the fruit, you become undeserving of the fruit. If you act and behave in such a way that enables success, you become deserving of that success. If you act antithetical to what's required to succeed, you don't deserve to succeed. It's basic, simple logic. And yet, so many people refuse to think it through, because they're coddled, comforted, and lied to. They're lied to by others, and they lie to themselves, because they think they can still do the things which bring them hedonistic joy (sinful/imperfect), but think they're still worthy of the fruits of righteous/perfect living.
The one counter argument is that we're all sinful by our very nature, which is true. We're mortal, finite, imperfect creatures, and nothing we do will change that. No matter how much we improve, we always fall short of the perfection of God. It's identical to counting to infinity; no matter how high you count, there's still an infinite mass of numbers between where you are and infinity. However, that argument tacitly argues that all sin is equal, that all behavior is equal, that all things are equal, when it's not. People are capable of improving. Different behaviors elicit different outcomes. If all sins and all behaviors were equal, different outcomes wouldn't exist or spring forth from the different inputs. That's just not how reality or logic works. This is also a really good way to figure out who's arguing for this, too. Equating different things to be equal is inherently satanic, and a great way to identify the kind of (((person))) you're dealing with. Equality, egalitarianism, relativism, are all jewish philosophies.
God didn't flood the world or destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because a few people were slight jerks to each other, or because people only went to temple every other week, or said a bad word once in a blue moon. It was because they were abhorrent degenerates, sacrificing children, worshipping demons, murdering, lying, sexual degenerates. It can also be surmised that God didn't punish those groups of people because there were only 1 or 2 degenerates in the midst of mostly good people, but because nearly all of them, or all of them, were. This means that God properly identifies and punishes upon difference in number, i.e. He doesn't equate different things as being equal.
Diminishment of the severity of sin is inherently satanic.
In non-religious logical terms, it's the argument that people can improve their lives, or continue to enjoy the fruits of their labors, when they embrace lies. It's utterly absurd and patently wrong. If you don't plant seeds, you'll never get crops to grow and eat. Thus, if you don't do the work required to enjoy the fruit, you become undeserving of the fruit. If you act and behave in such a way that enables success, you become deserving of that success. If you act antithetical to what's required to succeed, you don't deserve to succeed. It's basic, simple logic. And yet, so many people refuse to think it through, because they're coddled, comforted, and lied to. They're lied to by others, and they lie to themselves, because they think they can still do the things which bring them hedonistic joy (sinful/imperfect), but think they're still worthy of the fruits of righteous/perfect living.
The one counter argument is that we're all sinful by our very nature, which is true. We're mortal, finite, imperfect creatures, and nothing we do will change that. No matter how much we improve, we always fall short of the perfection of God. It's identical to counting to infinity; no matter how high you count, there's still an infinite mass of numbers between where you are and infinity. However, that argument tacitly argues that all sin is equal, that all behavior is equal, that all things are equal, when it's not. People are capable of improving. Different behaviors elicit different outcomes. If all sins and all behaviors were equal, different outcomes wouldn't exist or spring forth from the different inputs. That's just not how reality or logic works. This is also a really good way to figure out who's arguing for this, too. Equating different things to be equal is inherently satanic, and a great way to identify the kind of (((person))) you're dealing with. Equality, egalitarianism, relativism, are all jewish philosophies.
God didn't flood the world or destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because a few people were slight jerks to each other, or because people only went to temple every other week, or said a bad word once in a blue moon. It was because they were abhorrent degenerates, sacrificing children, worshipping demons, murdering, lying, sexual degenerates. It can also be surmised that God didn't punish those groups of people because there were only 1 or 2 degenerates in the midst of mostly good people, but because nearly all of them, or all of them, were. This means that God properly identifies and punishes upon difference in number, i.e. He doesn't equate different things as being equal.
Perfectly put. The reality is that the entire delusion of human life is little more than a test. We are placed as corruptible beings in a corruptible world, inhabiting corruptible flesh. Our Father is outside of this place, not restricted by the passage of time, but eternal and forever. This, our Father promises, by way of his Holy Governor, to those who produce that good thing which is also eternal and forever: the deed of the faithful man.
We read of the Pagans and their dumb idols, and in the annals of history, we read that these icons of worship were eventually reduced to nothing in the furnace. The demons which were supposed to dwell therein scattered, their oppressive vessel destroyed and their debility discovered. There was nothing blessed or glorified about the idols. The power of it came from within the corruptible attributes of man, and he committed atrocities because his corruptible state was compelled to do so by the spirit in the statue.
My point is, it is not what is physical that wields power, it is the actions committed because of that which resides inside. The human being himself is a temple, inside lies that thing which he believes. This compels him in deed. Within the righteous man sets the heartfelt alter of the Eternal Creator, the King of Paradise which compels growth and personal virtue. Inside the wicked sits the stations of Mammon and Ba'al, the gods of flesh and fearfulness. From these stations comes little more than lust for merchandise, greed, envy and deception.
My father has crafted the Human form to be his Temple and there within, He wills, is a house of Prayer.
We read of the Pagans and their dumb idols, and in the annals of history, we read that these icons of worship were eventually reduced to nothing in the furnace. The demons which were supposed to dwell therein scattered, their oppressive vessel destroyed and their debility discovered. There was nothing blessed or glorified about the idols. The power of it came from within the corruptible attributes of man, and he committed atrocities because his corruptible state was compelled to do so by the spirit in the statue.
My point is, it is not what is physical that wields power, it is the actions committed because of that which resides inside. The human being himself is a temple, inside lies that thing which he believes. This compels him in deed. Within the righteous man sets the heartfelt alter of the Eternal Creator, the King of Paradise which compels growth and personal virtue. Inside the wicked sits the stations of Mammon and Ba'al, the gods of flesh and fearfulness. From these stations comes little more than lust for merchandise, greed, envy and deception.
My father has crafted the Human form to be his Temple and there within, He wills, is a house of Prayer.
The way I understand it, you are saved by grace alone, but when you are saved your actions will reflect it. A tree is known by it's fruit and whatnot
This is what I call convenient Christianity and I HEAVILY believe it to be A. incorrect B. pernicious.
The implication that I have received endlessly debating against this philosophy is that if you are "saved" then you can do no wrong. That's it, you're saved. "Do nothing, Heaven Guaranteed." No more work, no more charity, no more virtue, no more resisting temptation. You're saved. This is the lazy theology spewing from these supposed churches.
Salvation can absolutely be revoked if you fall back into temptation. It is not a one way ticket to feel good land, the Kingdom of Heaven is a constant struggle against devils and carnal lusts. A Christian must strive to become the greatest man that he can be in the eyes of God. Of course he will fall short. I fall so short, brother, so very short. There is certainly forgiveness (Grace) where humility and self-punishment is found (hence ashes and sack cloth in the OT), but to fall back into what you understand and know to be sin is an atrocity against both self and Creator. Only in death will we be truly freed from the woes of this world.
God will provide strength to overcome these things if you ask.
The implication that I have received endlessly debating against this philosophy is that if you are "saved" then you can do no wrong. That's it, you're saved. "Do nothing, Heaven Guaranteed." No more work, no more charity, no more virtue, no more resisting temptation. You're saved. This is the lazy theology spewing from these supposed churches.
Salvation can absolutely be revoked if you fall back into temptation. It is not a one way ticket to feel good land, the Kingdom of Heaven is a constant struggle against devils and carnal lusts. A Christian must strive to become the greatest man that he can be in the eyes of God. Of course he will fall short. I fall so short, brother, so very short. There is certainly forgiveness (Grace) where humility and self-punishment is found (hence ashes and sack cloth in the OT), but to fall back into what you understand and know to be sin is an atrocity against both self and Creator. Only in death will we be truly freed from the woes of this world.
God will provide strength to overcome these things if you ask.
I agree that anyone who is truly saved must strive to live as perfectly as possible. But I think of it more as a symptom of being saved than what actually saves you. If someone falls back into unrepentant sin then it would call into question whether they were truly saved or not.
I think we agree though that grace isn’t just a safety net like a lot of people seem to treat it.
I think we agree though that grace isn’t just a safety net like a lot of people seem to treat it.
>If someone falls back into unrepentant sin then it would call into question whether they were truly saved or not
This starts working into predestination territory. Why would one who genuinely calls on Jesus be saved but another not? I unfortunately have to ward off sin every day of my life. For a moment, I fell back into a sin that I previously conquered. Through prayer and promise to the Lord I have managed to keep away from it, though the temptation never subsides. God forbid that I die in that sin.
Faith must be maintained and tempered. We see the theme used in the story of Abraham, who proved righteous, Job, who proved faithful, and in Exodus. In the latter case it was intercession which saved the Israelites.
This starts working into predestination territory. Why would one who genuinely calls on Jesus be saved but another not? I unfortunately have to ward off sin every day of my life. For a moment, I fell back into a sin that I previously conquered. Through prayer and promise to the Lord I have managed to keep away from it, though the temptation never subsides. God forbid that I die in that sin.
Faith must be maintained and tempered. We see the theme used in the story of Abraham, who proved righteous, Job, who proved faithful, and in Exodus. In the latter case it was intercession which saved the Israelites.
Salvation comes through Grace, but a lot of people, especially protestants, misunderstand what Grace actually is, so they think that they have a free license to sin. Nothing a man can do, if he isnt in a state of Grace, can save himself, but if a man who is in a state of grace sins mortally, he offends God and God retracts the Grace, and thus also retracts salvation. An exorcist named Father Ripperger on youtube has a pretty good series of lectures on the subject he did recently.
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