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It's not dumb. The title is libertarian ragebait.
They're stopping the *poached endangered plant* market and undercutting it by developing the market domestically so the market can meet demand without funding some greasy spics who clear-cut pristine desert ecosystems.
If we could grow elephant tusks in a lab it'd be the same logic - there's a demand, but the source for the supply is a destructive third world shitheap that funds retards, so meet the demand in a way that hopefully makes it less profitable for the shitskins and maybe they'll stop chainsawing the faces off of live elephants.
Rather than destroy the endangered plants (which would be a waste and a much more outrageous thing to do) they supply them to botanical gardens for exhibits and cultivation.
That said -- if the volume was increased as you suppose ala clear cutting, then it would become a commercial volume which would be managed by international trade and restrictions.
These are small batches. If exotic, then we'd call this propagation if bought at a unique florist, but here, its a multi million dollars a year program to prevent what?
Side note --> did you every year Valentines Day we import 98% of ALL ROSES. There is then an entire department of the border control who monitor ROSES
>They themselves say this is about preventing invasive species
It's pretty much the same thing we're talking about. But they wouldn't be giving invasive species to conservatories (that's what The Huntington is), they'd destroy them. Basically they find plants and if they're exotic endangered species, under CITES, it looks like they give the originating nation 30 days to reclaim the species or else they do something with it. In that 30 day span someone has to care for it so based on some research it looks like you can volunteer to be a caretaker (but you need to meet some qualifications obviously). It seems that in this case if they aren't reclaimed they'll give them to botanical gardens, and in the video they say they harvest the seeds so I'm guessing they distribute and sell the plants domestically with certification of origin.
Though regarding the invasive species honestly it's hard to imagine there's any invasive species that aren't already everywhere. Hell, I found out that the Cat's Claw in my yard is an invasive species.
>That said -- if the volume was increased as you suppose ala clear cutting, then it would become a commercial volume which would be managed by international trade and restrictions.
That actually is what the CITES appears to be. But again, I doubt the third world gives a shit about spending money getting plants back though. So that leaves either destroying them or giving them to conservatories.
In the video it shows nothing but succulents and cactuses so I assume these are all coming from south of the border.
Ayh know you do bcz you are online posting here and that can not be done without having paid SOME tax in the form of sales, sales, sales, sales, and sales and taxes on those sales taxes and :)
i remember last time i checked new Hampshire and oregon didn't have statewide sales taxes. That may have changed in recent years.
Trump gave us the internet sales tax. Until around 2017/2018 with Trump's fucktard supreme court picks, we could order shit online without paying any sales tax. Fuck Trump.
That was a huge new source of revenue for state governments and county governments. But notice they didn't lower property taxes or counter balance the sudden increase in revenue. They just gobbled it all up like pigs at a trough and gave themselves huge pay increases and increased their staff and hired their cousins and nephews and fattened the government bureaucracy with more deep state whores.
If you own or rent, you pay some form of property tax (proxy by rent)
Both states have alcohol taxes
It is curious to see the states that claim no state income tax like FL but then basically fee and tax every other thing, which is hidden behind higher costs of xyz
Not sure what the program is called but they're not confiscating people's fucking gardens or some shit like the title implies. Based on the video and the website page it's greasy spics and beaners in Central and South America clear-cutting and poaching endangered exotic succulents and cactuses, plants that grow very slowly.
They're confiscated at the border for the same reason poached elephant tusks are.
Rather than destroy the plants it would seem they give them to domestic nurseries for cultivation and propagation and then sell them from their own stock, which undercuts the spic market who are bulldozing pristine ecosystems for some pocket change so they can buy more Tecate.
In theory the program could entirely pay for itself if they resell the plants which it sounds like they do.
Of all the dumb ways we waste money this is very far from the top.
**EDIT:** The program is called CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora).
If someone smuggled in a tiger cub with false paperwork saying it was a cat it's be confiscated but they aren't going to just kill the tiger cub. They give the originating country 30 days to ship it back but if they don't respond (which I imagine these shit holes don't bother to for plants) they would give the tiger cub to a zoo or something. Same logic with plants only they end up in botanical gardens which are functionally plant zoos.
I like botanical gardens and zoos. This is a good program. Fuck off with the lolbertarian editorialized ragebait title.
The claim is to stop invasive species but when you look at the plants they take -- basically they are saying EVERY plant that is not bought locally is invasive. BUT THEY FUCKING GROW THEM AND PLANT THEM LOCALLY!!!!
This entire thing is about stopping the poaching and trafficking of endangered plants.
So is your plan to just go full Libertarian and open up the "free market" to mass clear-cutting and sale of rare plants from exotic ecosystems for shekels and when the plants all are killed and the high desert ecosystem is ruined, "oh well"? That's shitty.
And if your argument is "oh well the free market would grow the plants locally", that's basically what this already is doing.
If you don't want words put in your mouth maybe you should, assuming you have the IQ to do so, actually use your fucking words yourself instead of vomiting stupid irrelevant low-effort trash?
The response to a program to combat poaching was you saying we should strangle jews. This doesn't even just imply you like black markets, it's basically an *endorsement* and you sound genuinely upset that Customs even is looking into this.
So, I'll do whatever I want, you are powerless to stop me. Quit being a dumbfuck nigger and you won't have this problem, fucking nigger dumbfuck. It costs nothing to write a post longer than ten words if you don't want to be "misunderstood". But I think we both know there was no misunderstanding.
Three posts in of you infuriated that I *implied* you were in favor of smuggling endangered species, and you still haven't actually confirmed or denied your position.
Instead it's the trademark TallestSkil "WALL OF RAGE" featuring markdown quotes randomly snipped and scattered around in no sensible order which you carefully prune just so you can write "NO U" responses between each one.
I don't care if you didn't say it. What you want to deny means literally nothing to me. You can waste your words on these hall-of-mirrors-looking posts all you want, it still ain't gonna change shit.
I did it. I'll fuckin' do it again.
I will state now and forever exactly what you believe to anyone and everyone, whenever I want. Why?
Because you're too much of a shit-bitch spineless coward.
So I'll take every opportunity I want to stuff your mouth with words, along with my dick for you to choke on just for good measure since you won't use your words like a *man* and actually write like a human being with at least a high school-level education.
You don't even have original *insults*. Bring your A-game next time, babyrapist. ChatGPT could do a better job than you screaming 'dipshit' four times in a row. Is that the most creative you could be? Personally I'm pretty happy with comparing the look of your 'random quote rage replies' as a 'hall of mirrors', I think that's pretty original.
rEpOrTeD fOr LiBeL might be the gayest fucking thing I've seen anyone on this forum post.
They're stopping the *poached endangered plant* market and undercutting it by developing the market domestically so the market can meet demand without funding some greasy spics who clear-cut pristine desert ecosystems.
If we could grow elephant tusks in a lab it'd be the same logic - there's a demand, but the source for the supply is a destructive third world shitheap that funds retards, so meet the demand in a way that hopefully makes it less profitable for the shitskins and maybe they'll stop chainsawing the faces off of live elephants.
Rather than destroy the endangered plants (which would be a waste and a much more outrageous thing to do) they supply them to botanical gardens for exhibits and cultivation.
...how ever
They themselves say this is about preventing invasive species
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-media-release/cbp-uncovers-almost-300-live-plants-within-vehicles-agriculture
That said -- if the volume was increased as you suppose ala clear cutting, then it would become a commercial volume which would be managed by international trade and restrictions.
These are small batches. If exotic, then we'd call this propagation if bought at a unique florist, but here, its a multi million dollars a year program to prevent what?
Side note --> did you every year Valentines Day we import 98% of ALL ROSES. There is then an entire department of the border control who monitor ROSES
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/national-media-release/cbp-surpasses-1-billion-flowers-ahead-valentine-s-day
It's pretty much the same thing we're talking about. But they wouldn't be giving invasive species to conservatories (that's what The Huntington is), they'd destroy them. Basically they find plants and if they're exotic endangered species, under CITES, it looks like they give the originating nation 30 days to reclaim the species or else they do something with it. In that 30 day span someone has to care for it so based on some research it looks like you can volunteer to be a caretaker (but you need to meet some qualifications obviously). It seems that in this case if they aren't reclaimed they'll give them to botanical gardens, and in the video they say they harvest the seeds so I'm guessing they distribute and sell the plants domestically with certification of origin.
Though regarding the invasive species honestly it's hard to imagine there's any invasive species that aren't already everywhere. Hell, I found out that the Cat's Claw in my yard is an invasive species.
>That said -- if the volume was increased as you suppose ala clear cutting, then it would become a commercial volume which would be managed by international trade and restrictions.
That actually is what the CITES appears to be. But again, I doubt the third world gives a shit about spending money getting plants back though. So that leaves either destroying them or giving them to conservatories.
In the video it shows nothing but succulents and cactuses so I assume these are all coming from south of the border.