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What's the US regulations for farm fresh, if only used for personal consumption and not sold for profit?
Because if they don't regulate personal consumption, make the sales using a commodity instead of fiat shekels, somethnig like gold and silver coins, with ridges or some obscure cryptocurrency like Pepecoin, Führercoin or Reichscoin which will never become classified as money. This will also keep the sales tax free.
Because if they don't regulate personal consumption, make the sales using a commodity instead of fiat shekels, somethnig like gold and silver coins, with ridges or some obscure cryptocurrency like Pepecoin, Führercoin or Reichscoin which will never become classified as money. This will also keep the sales tax free.
I was thinking of separating the sales to outside parties from the internal parties. The internal stuff is never sold and consumed solely by shareholders.
Specifically, let's say you had 10,000 acres and 500 people living in the village. The food that is consumed by the people living in the village is either just distributed to the people as their share -- each family gets X pounds of beef, Y pounds of sheep, or whatnot, or they are given some kind of token or ticket they can use to exchange for their share of the farm products. The remaining farm products are sold on the market.
Now, there is nothing stopping people from outside the group from forming their own groups, purchasing an animal, paying someone to butcher it for them, and then consuming it, not even under current law. But my idea is to keep that entirely separate from the community food.
Inside the community, money is basically worthless. The things you want aren't for sale, and the way you get them is not with money. For instance, we might give every shareholder an allowance of 100 tokens every month that expires at the end of the month, and they can use those tokens to exchange for beef or sheep or whatever.
Specifically, let's say you had 10,000 acres and 500 people living in the village. The food that is consumed by the people living in the village is either just distributed to the people as their share -- each family gets X pounds of beef, Y pounds of sheep, or whatnot, or they are given some kind of token or ticket they can use to exchange for their share of the farm products. The remaining farm products are sold on the market.
Now, there is nothing stopping people from outside the group from forming their own groups, purchasing an animal, paying someone to butcher it for them, and then consuming it, not even under current law. But my idea is to keep that entirely separate from the community food.
Inside the community, money is basically worthless. The things you want aren't for sale, and the way you get them is not with money. For instance, we might give every shareholder an allowance of 100 tokens every month that expires at the end of the month, and they can use those tokens to exchange for beef or sheep or whatever.
I’ve had similar ideas. This seems to be a common problem for our tribe and needs a solution
My goals are to make it so that you can basically raise a family without worrying about money. Sure, you could make money, and you would get a bit from time to time via dividends. But all of your needs would be collectively handled. If you chose to work for the "commune", or rather, depending on the type of labor you provide, you would get paid for it out of the commune, so you have every incentive to provide greater services of higher value to the community. But suppose you chose not to work -- all your basic needs would be met, but you would get little else.
I do see a problem if people refuse to work, or if it is poorly managed, but I think such things would resolve themselves quickly as the members would vote to dissolve the whole thing, sell the land and assets, and walk away with a fair chunk of change to restart their lives.
I do see a problem if people refuse to work, or if it is poorly managed, but I think such things would resolve themselves quickly as the members would vote to dissolve the whole thing, sell the land and assets, and walk away with a fair chunk of change to restart their lives.
Soooo... A commune
Yes-ish.
Think of it more like a lord-peasant relationship. Except as peasants, you are the lord, or rather own a portion of the estate.
I think it is what feudalism would've evolved in to, if people weren't so focused on money. I could see a smart lord in the late 1600s putting his estate together in this way, fully divesting himself and empowering the peasants.
Think of it more like a lord-peasant relationship. Except as peasants, you are the lord, or rather own a portion of the estate.
I think it is what feudalism would've evolved in to, if people weren't so focused on money. I could see a smart lord in the late 1600s putting his estate together in this way, fully divesting himself and empowering the peasants.
This is about as realistic as functioning communism. You're already fucked on your first step - in most countries, US included, even a private corporation has to work in the interest of it's shareholders.
If you sell shares, you're a public corporation.
"Family owned" corporations don't work hat way.
"Family owned" corporations don't work hat way.
The rule is that if it is on the stock market, you have to maximize profits. If it is not, then you don't have to, but you must work in the interest of the shareholders, and it's quite possible that the shareholders do not value profits but some other values.
Private charities are in fact corporations, and are not expected to even turn a profit, hence the name "non-profit corporation", which is a tax class.
Private charities are in fact corporations, and are not expected to even turn a profit, hence the name "non-profit corporation", which is a tax class.
You would need a lot of disposable cash, in case ZOG decides to blow it all up in your face. Worth a shot, maybe. Or even look into how Amish/Mennonite communities manage themselves, could be a start
This is basically what I'm working towards with my family.
The corporate structure is important because you can use it to mitigate taxes and sidestep personal liability, plus it doesn't need to be "passed down" because the kids become partial owners at 18 (I'm thinking of destroying shares on death, to raise everyone else's stake, rather than reassigning them to avoid those taxes as well).
If you provide room and board for your employees, with a small wage, they can pretty much completely avoid personal income tax. Stuff like guns, vehicles, "work" clothes, and whatever else people want can be written off as business expenses. You'd still have de facto personal property but, on paper, it would look as though the company owned everything. Setup a second company to buy and sell which sells the equipment to the first for $1, and can safely go bankrupt without losing any of the property.
The corporate structure is important because you can use it to mitigate taxes and sidestep personal liability, plus it doesn't need to be "passed down" because the kids become partial owners at 18 (I'm thinking of destroying shares on death, to raise everyone else's stake, rather than reassigning them to avoid those taxes as well).
If you provide room and board for your employees, with a small wage, they can pretty much completely avoid personal income tax. Stuff like guns, vehicles, "work" clothes, and whatever else people want can be written off as business expenses. You'd still have de facto personal property but, on paper, it would look as though the company owned everything. Setup a second company to buy and sell which sells the equipment to the first for $1, and can safely go bankrupt without losing any of the property.
I think this is a great idea. As a collective it would be quite easy to pool resources to make the initial investment.
As a corporation you are in a sense creating a local government with a defacto head and a board of directors to aid in decision-making.
More importantly you can be selective on how the work gets done as resource generation is going to make or break this enterprise.
As a corporation you are in a sense creating a local government with a defacto head and a board of directors to aid in decision-making.
More importantly you can be selective on how the work gets done as resource generation is going to make or break this enterprise.
Great idea. The most important resource a nation has is manpower. Gottfried Feder understood this when he wrote against usury. Even 8 to 10 of us working together is enough to make this viable. I have had a similar goal for a while and have started organizing people in my circles around building what I call an ethnostate.
I'm curious where you are considering for land.
I'm curious where you are considering for land.
Probably rural Texas, somewhere where there is a lot of flat land, grass, and rain.
I'm counting my sheep before they are born, but I should be able to sustain, on 50 acres, well over $200k a year in revenue. With that kind of income, I should be looking at buying more land, but I really want to give an opportunity to young white males to get some land and make some money working animals, the way God intended.
Just thinking about the future. I might try something like this out, informally, with my adult son(s) and see if they think it is sustainable or not. If so, I'd probably get with a lawyer or two who share a similar mind and start bouncing ideas off the wall to see what makes the most sense.
I'm counting my sheep before they are born, but I should be able to sustain, on 50 acres, well over $200k a year in revenue. With that kind of income, I should be looking at buying more land, but I really want to give an opportunity to young white males to get some land and make some money working animals, the way God intended.
Just thinking about the future. I might try something like this out, informally, with my adult son(s) and see if they think it is sustainable or not. If so, I'd probably get with a lawyer or two who share a similar mind and start bouncing ideas off the wall to see what makes the most sense.
Orania is working out fantastically, there is no reason not to do something like this in America or Europe except that we might lack funding, motivation, or both. detractors who think the government will just show up to firebomb what appears to be a normal corporation that houses its workers/owners are plain wrong. Waco was a weird cult and the Ruby Ridge guy was being entrapped by the FBI or ATF or something to saw off his shotguns and make them illegal.
i personally own land and want to do this with close, vetted online friends, but they're all understandably wary of letting go of their current lives to instead farm/earn a living in some random eastern european village. having too much to lose continues to be our greatest hindrance.
i personally own land and want to do this with close, vetted online friends, but they're all understandably wary of letting go of their current lives to instead farm/earn a living in some random eastern european village. having too much to lose continues to be our greatest hindrance.
I think that's why it has to start with family.
I was thinking about how to covertly advertise this sort of thing, and I can only come up with a few ideas that might work, but they all involve working within a small geographical area. Someone like myself, who can afford a few dozen acres, wouldn't be tempted by it, but I can see someone who is just starting off, doesn't have much in the way of assets or is practically homeless might jump at the chance.
I was actually thinking of doing something like a monastery for young men, having them start there, learn the skills, and then moving them out to different areas to get married and raise a family to start their own colonies. So it would be more like an internship where you learn how to farm profitably, accumulate some assets, and then move on.
I was thinking about how to covertly advertise this sort of thing, and I can only come up with a few ideas that might work, but they all involve working within a small geographical area. Someone like myself, who can afford a few dozen acres, wouldn't be tempted by it, but I can see someone who is just starting off, doesn't have much in the way of assets or is practically homeless might jump at the chance.
I was actually thinking of doing something like a monastery for young men, having them start there, learn the skills, and then moving them out to different areas to get married and raise a family to start their own colonies. So it would be more like an internship where you learn how to farm profitably, accumulate some assets, and then move on.
I found a place that wants to do something like this, but we need more competent persons.
With a dozen or two married NatSocs, we could seize control of this barely-touched 400-acre property. The current owner just wants helpful humans, so he's desperate for anyone who will contribute. For the moment, all are welcome.
I need help from guys like you all in order to make this a safe place for White children, by making it clear who's not welcome.
With a dozen or two married NatSocs, we could seize control of this barely-touched 400-acre property. The current owner just wants helpful humans, so he's desperate for anyone who will contribute. For the moment, all are welcome.
I need help from guys like you all in order to make this a safe place for White children, by making it clear who's not welcome.
The idea sounds very like the Amish
Well, this sounds like every Marxist LARP on Reddit, but I will say you have one idea in there...
>Better yet, make it a religious commune, a charity, so we can specifically exclude people who don't pass our religious purity tests.
Taking advantage of religious freedom laws is how Scientoligists get away with their shit, and the auth-right should have long since done the same. Can't discriminate against the Swastika if it's literally a religious symbol on a church.
>Better yet, make it a religious commune, a charity, so we can specifically exclude people who don't pass our religious purity tests.
Taking advantage of religious freedom laws is how Scientoligists get away with their shit, and the auth-right should have long since done the same. Can't discriminate against the Swastika if it's literally a religious symbol on a church.
Playing with jewish legalism is only going to result in trouble.
It'd be better to just buy a bunch of unzoned land, build houses on it, raise animals, sell the product as "for animal use only" or sell "herdshares" and keep your head down for as long as possible.
It'd be better to just buy a bunch of unzoned land, build houses on it, raise animals, sell the product as "for animal use only" or sell "herdshares" and keep your head down for as long as possible.
What's jewish about it? It's all straightforward, above the board.
As far as avoiding federal regulations -- people do that all day every day. It's how you do business nowadays. Figure out what's regulated, and do something else.
As far as avoiding federal regulations -- people do that all day every day. It's how you do business nowadays. Figure out what's regulated, and do something else.
Corporations, employment, shareholders, leases..
Jew shit. Not calling you a jew or offending. These things are the methods the jews use against us.
Anything straightforward is going to get targeted, especially if you're directly dealing with government agencies on a monthly basis. It's probably better to fly under the radar as much as possible.
Jew shit. Not calling you a jew or offending. These things are the methods the jews use against us.
Anything straightforward is going to get targeted, especially if you're directly dealing with government agencies on a monthly basis. It's probably better to fly under the radar as much as possible.
All of these are ideas invented by white people for white people.
* Corporations allow us to pool our assets for a common cause. Every church is a corporation. Every charity as well.
* Shareholders control the corporation. I don't know what part of this is jewish. The shareholders literally hold meetings and elect people using Robert's Rules, which descend from the ancient Anglo-Saxon traditions. It's how Anglo-Saxons would appoint Earls and kings and wage wars.
* We hire people because that's their only option and we need the labor. Yes, I'd prefer we only contracted with people but when you're starting from zero, employment is how you start building wealth.
* We lease because we don't want jews to own it, plain and simple.
* Corporations allow us to pool our assets for a common cause. Every church is a corporation. Every charity as well.
* Shareholders control the corporation. I don't know what part of this is jewish. The shareholders literally hold meetings and elect people using Robert's Rules, which descend from the ancient Anglo-Saxon traditions. It's how Anglo-Saxons would appoint Earls and kings and wage wars.
* We hire people because that's their only option and we need the labor. Yes, I'd prefer we only contracted with people but when you're starting from zero, employment is how you start building wealth.
* We lease because we don't want jews to own it, plain and simple.
How much Kool aid do you have to drink to be in the cult lol
> We buy a large amount of land. It is part of a corporation. It's not listed on any security market, so it doesn't have to operate in the interest of the shareholders.
You have something wrong in almost each of these sentences.
You have something wrong in almost each of these sentences.
Is there anything that prevents the vetting of shareholders being white males?
It seems to be that is the initial start. Form the corporation, acquire share holders and begin making plans.
Share holders initially need to bring something to the table beyond simply money. Specific skills and resources is mission critical.
Business management, trades, and agriculture, logistics on the skill front but also vehicles, materials, tools, knowledge resources, existing outside relationships, etc.
I think there also needs to be phases to this. I don't think the commune model is a viable long term solution. I think a company town is the goal that mixes the corporate aspect with a governing aspect.
It seems to be that is the initial start. Form the corporation, acquire share holders and begin making plans.
Share holders initially need to bring something to the table beyond simply money. Specific skills and resources is mission critical.
Business management, trades, and agriculture, logistics on the skill front but also vehicles, materials, tools, knowledge resources, existing outside relationships, etc.
I think there also needs to be phases to this. I don't think the commune model is a viable long term solution. I think a company town is the goal that mixes the corporate aspect with a governing aspect.
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Is this legal?
>The corporation hires people
This is where you’re going to run into the biggest trouble.
>we pay them a fair rate for their work, but they can never make enough to justify driving out to the field and back every day.
What stops the government from buying land directly adjacent to the corporation’s (or seizing some of it with eminent domain) to build Section Ape housing in proximity?
>Better yet, make it a religious commune, a charity
Eh… [I say stick with the corporate route.](https://people.com/thmb/5IsAEBl7jhgbrSIihsli1c70Uuo=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(999x0:1001x2)/waco-21-2000-25b4a9f600764597bbc8f96b8cbbfdf4.jpg)
>Hopefully, before it reaches that point, we'll have enough people and land we can just secede.
Sounds like a delusional pipe dream. It ends in guns no matter what happens. Ignore the state laws, ignore the Supreme Court; you get invaded with a million nonwhites in US army gear.
the sad reality of living in the jewnited states of Nigmerica
Easiest way to deal with that is to make multiple corporations that are under a holding company (which has no employees of its own), each of which only have 9 employees each.