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posted 1 year ago by Lift-Pray-Meditate on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +117Score on mirror )
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RealWildRanter on scored.co
1 year ago 11 points (+0 / -0 / +11Score on mirror ) 3 children
> I think it's an *Oedipal* thing

I don't think you know what Oedipus complex really means. Here, I'll give you a hand.

> In classical psychoanalytic theory, the Oedipus complex refers to a son's sexual attitude towards his mother and concomitant hostility toward his father.

A very interesting explanation for this beamer phenomenon is given here.

https://www.catholicmom.com/articles/2018/04/18/why-isnt-jesus-used-as-a-given-name-in-english/

TLDR; Jesús was a common last name that migrated to become a first name. Nevertheless it's a weird tradition.
USSDefiantJazz on scored.co
1 year ago 5 points (+0 / -0 / +5Score on mirror ) 1 child
>I don't think you know what Oedipus complex really means. Here, I'll give you a hand.

I do know what it is, they want to have their god's child, that's why they name it after their god.

>In classical psychoanalytic theory, the Oedipus complex refers to a son's sexual attitude towards his mother and concomitant hostility toward his father.

Yes, this only explains the son, this does not explain the mother.
RealWildRanter on scored.co
1 year ago 7 points (+0 / -0 / +7Score on mirror ) 1 child
You mean Electra complex?

> In neo-Freudian psychology, the Electra complex, as proposed by Swiss psychiatrist and psychoanalyst Carl Jung in his Theory of Psychoanalysis, is a girl's psychosexual competition with her mother for possession of her father. In the course of her psychosexual development, the complex is the girl's phallic stage; a boy's analogous experience is the Oedipus complex.
USSDefiantJazz on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Electra is daughter, not the mother.

In Oedipus complex, there are 2 parties: 1. The son, 2. The mother. Most research talks about the son but the mother is also a party to this and for some reason this is overlooked.
RealWildRanter on scored.co
1 year ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Well that's easy. If a mother entertains sexually a son she's a sick pedophile the same way a father would be if he did his daughter.
USSDefiantJazz on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Bingo.
devotech2 on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
The tradition was because of the evolution of different catholic orders in spain taking on what they considered holy names, iirc. It wasn't a taboo in Spain (and by convergent evolution, it *technically* isn't a taboo in the anglosphere either, because of the name Joshua which is an anglicization of the Hebrew name of Jesus (Yeshua) vice the Hellenized name that Jesus comes from). It arose in the 1600s, it wasn't used before then. This is also the same reason that so many Spaniards and Hispanics are named after the saints or Mary at a disproportionately higher rate than other catholic countries, with names (Apellidos) like "de Santa Maria" or "San Francisco". Conversely, puritanism and British israelism are why there are so many old testament names in the anglosphere (again, at a disproportionately higher rate than other protestant countries). Eventually it came to taking the name of Jesus for the Spanish, and it became a first name because if a Spaniard did not want to or could not change their Apellido to "Jesús", they gave their child the first name. The same thing happened with the names of the saints. Purely Latin (as in pre catholic roman) based names in the hispanosphere are pretty rare because of this, whereas in Italy they're still very common. The example I gave of the anglosphere is also why there aren't many germanic given names in anglosphere countries.

That being said, it was a taboo in most other catholic countries, just not in Spain. There's no actual scripture that says it *is* a bad thing to do, however, so I don't personally see a fault in it, but I can also see why someone would think that it is. The anglosphere and the hispanosphere both evolved (at almost the exact same time no less) to take on "holy" names, probably being as Spain was the "most zealous catholic" catholic country and England was the "most zealous protestant" protestant country, leaving a lot of other names by the wayside in the process and adopting respective cultures around naming conventions that were different from their cultural contemporaries.

For proof of this: look up spanish names vs italian names and see how many more pre catholic Latin names Italy has. Look up English or american names vs German names for the same thing, there are actually *very few* biblical german names, but they absolutely dominate English names.


LordGrimTheInvincibl on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
Sounds like something Sigmund Freud coined, but it is also from a greek myth, were proto-Christine Chandler slays his father and marries his mother.
Dfalt on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Well in the actual Greek tragedy, Oedipus doesn't know that he killed his father and married his mother at first. He had left his home many years prior because the gods had told him that was his fate and he had tried to run from it, but he wandered for too long , got lost, and inadvertently ended up back home and didn't recognize his parents anymore since it had been so long since he'd seen them. When he and his mother both learn the truth at the end, his mother kills herself and he gouges out his own eyes and starts wandering again.
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