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You got it, and because MGTOW is not a movement, you're not going to get a group of people to come here and argue that. I'm still a member of an old phpBB forum where these guys hang out, even if I told everyone the name of the forum and unless people Googled it in a very specific way, they would not find it and even if they did, registration is not open to new people because that's what MGTOW people do. They generally do their own thing quietly and stay under the radar.

Those people are mostly early retired now, travelling and buying $5000+ synthesizers (there's a guy there into music gear), another 60+ year old dude just bought a new Corvette and is taking a road trip across North America. Two other dudes are going to Thailand. They have no time to dick around on a forum with 20 year olds.