MGTOW Niggers are fragile little groomer creeps..
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But they're doing the same thing that feminists do. "I'm a strong independent [wahmen/man] and I don't need no [man/wahmen]." So if feminists are wrong for doing that, then so is the male equivalent for doing the same. Women are the way they are and they have been for all time, and its always been man's burden to have to deal with that. Yes its much worse now, but its still our burden to have to deal with. Less White babies is not going to solve anything.
>ConPro's solution is often to become simps or slaves
Couldn't be more wrong. ConPro's solution has *always* been to grow up, become a strong man, find the right woman (a good or at least decent one), and *lead*. I'll admit, that third step is the hardest part, but that doesn't mean the solution is to give up and not even try. MGTOWs are entirely incorrigible on the topic of becoming a strong man though, so they can only equate things into terms of simps or slaves. Its patently obvious to anyone on the outside looking in that the more MGTOW a man is, the weaker he is as well. We see the same thing in the female equivalent as well, so its not a coincidence.
Women are overpriced in today's society from a man's perspective. That's why men are correct in acting the opposite of feminists because that is a correct proposition. Feminists who think men are overpriced are outright wrong so their perception of reality is not correct unlike the man's perspective. If you walk into a car dealership and the Ford Focus is selling for $200k and you as a man believe it's overpriced but the car salesman who is a woman believes it's selling at a fair price does that mean both people's view is equal? A feminist and a male feminist are not equal in credibility simply because they are both thinking the same thing but opposite. The man is correct in his evaluation of price while the woman is incorrect so only the man is correct in having his beliefs not the woman.
More low quality White babies won't help anything either. Low quality White babies end up gay, lesbian, trans, police officers who oppress quality Whites and military grunts that kill quality Whites at the behest of jews. Low quality Whites are your Shabbos Goys. We don't need anymore low quality Whites either. We're better off with less low quality Whites rather than more low quality Whites. What we need is high quality Whites and that can only happen with a high quality woman. Most women are not high quality women so when MGTOW men walk away from low quality women they are doing more to help White people than the weak men who procreate with low quality White women simply for the sake of procreating this creating a new army of Shabbos Goys for the jews to use to leach resources off of and fight against and oppress high quality Whites.
Women have always been the same. All that has changed is that we lack the power to force women into being what they ought to be. That means it's even more important now to pick quality women but given how few there are out there it makes sense that most men won't procreate or have a relationship with a woman and that's a good thing. We don't want the low quality Whites to reproduce but every weak men who keeps reproducing with these low quality White women is creating another soldier being used by jews to harm the White race.
See, this is what I mean by MGTOWs being incorrigible on the topic of bettering themselves and becoming stronger men. They are not willing to concede one *inch* and agree to even one iota of the current problem resting on their shoulders. I'll use your analogy. You want to go to the Ford dealership to buy the newest, latest and greatest, and biggest F150 that money can buy, with all the bells and whistles included. You want something *perfect*. Predictably, its ludicrously expensive and you don't want to pay that much. So you're complaining, complaining, and all that; meanwhile there's a 2010 XLT F150 at the back of the lot for a fraction of the price that you're completely ignoring. Came from a good home, used well and taken care of, but it doesn't have all the bells, whistles, and *modernity* involved. You refuse to look for the good women because all the ones *you* have seen have been bad. And even if you did, you still want the things that make them bad in the first place. You have been looking in the modernized, secularized worldly scene and you have (predictably) not found anything good. In other words, you've been fishing in a cesspool and all you've found is crap, so your (and all MGTOWs) solution is to take the coward's way out and just give up.
>More low quality White babies won't help anything either.
yeah I'm not telling you to just shack up with some trashy skank just for the sake of more White babies. I'm telling you to get your head out of your rear end and go out there and find one of the good ones. And if you really well and truly can't find one (I will concede that there is indeed a nonzero chance of this), then there are much more productive things you can do with the rest of your life than whining about it on the internet. One of the patron saints of the MGTOW movement was thinking in the right direction...
>Most women are not high quality women so when MGTOW men walk away from low quality women they are doing more to help White people than the weak men who procreate with low quality White women
No, not really. Because you (well, maybe not *you*, specifically) are now a constant demoralization beacon, trying to drag the rest of us down with you. Men who might be somewhere in the middle, if they were to listen to your propaganda and be influenced by your worldview, may be enticed into giving up or otherwise quitting when if they had just persevered a while longer, may have found what they were looking for. I don't have a problem with *you* and the other hardcore MGTOW types giving up, because generally they are staunchly weak men and there is probably no rehabilitating that. Or if they were already screwed over by a woman, in like a divorce or something. I don't have a problem with the weak men getting out of our way, because otherwise they're an obstacle to the strong men. What I do have a problem with is them trying to influence the youth or men much younger than them who *haven't* had it bad like that into not even trying in the first place.
>but given how few there are out there it makes sense that most men won't procreate or have a relationship with a woman and that's a good thing.
That's why sometimes you may have to compromise and try to take one out of the enemy camp, even though it might be more difficult. I've heard stories and known of *strong* men IRL who have taken completely indoctrinated liberal feminist types and turned them into le conservative tradwife. The kicker with women is that if they are (relatively) easily manipulated into an ideology, sometimes they can be (relatively) easily manipulated out of it. Strong men can do this, weak men cannot. Hence why MGTOWs fail, because they are not strong.
Bottom line, I'm not refuting your or MGTOWs positions on modern women, feminism, the feminization of society, etc. What I'm merely refuting are your solutions. The critical root of the problem is that they have taken God out of the equation. And it is no wonder that things have not been going well for them as a result. Ever seen a religious MGTOWer? I sure haven't.