1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)2 children
the people who say EU healthcare is better are conflating average care vs top quartile and top half. it's all about abusing definitions to mislead people.
in EU systems, practically everyone gets care, but it's only a 4 out of 10 on average. the top 1% of people can afford to go abroad to get significantly better healthcare elsewhere, and they often do.
in the US, the average is probably a 3.5 out of 10, but that's because there are a shitload of people who pay out of pocket, either because they can't afford healthcare (so they get a 0), or they're people who are healthy and just choose to pay out of pocket, and the metrics definitionally count them as 0. but if you're in that latter group, or you're in the top half, the care you're getting (when you get it) is at least a 6. and if you're in the top quartile, or top 10%, the care you're getting is a 7-9. top 1%ers like arnold are getting a 9-10. these options are not available in socialist healthcare. they're just not, and anyone who says they are is lying to your face. it's why that old meme comparing the star trek looking lab in socialist healthcare and rustbucket in private healthcare got fact checked... the star trek looking lab is in the US, and the rustbucket is NHS in the UK.
this is why although the US has healthcare tourism out of the US, we also have record healthcare tourism into the US, especially from EU/CA where they have socialist healthcare. if arnold only got socialist healthcare, he would have died decades ago. but instead he was getting a much higher quality of care already decades ago, and nowadays gets a elite tier care.
socialist healthcare seeks to redistribute quality of care 0.1-50% to the bottom half, that all of you plebs can get the dregs, while the elites can still get theirs. it's hyper-elitist, even more discriminatory than private healthcare.
When most people cant affort basic healthcare or emergencies get them bankrupt, the system is beyond shit.
Public healthcare worked just fine in most eu countries up until greed took over and some people wanted to get rich through private hospitals and private insurance.
Private hospitals artificially inflate the prices and insurance has to cover it, which leads to a cascade of ever increasing prices.
The only thing us is better at is care for the 0.0001% rich that can throw everything in it. But that is at the expense of 99.9999%
1 year ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
healthcare is not some fixed asset to be divided by you or anyone else. it is also not a right, because in the US, there only negative rights (the government cannot do X...) and conditional affirmative rights (the government can only do X if they also give you Y). unconditional affirmative rights (like healthcare) are a mess on a long enough timeline because it requires someone else to be enslaved to provide you that affirmative right. the only way to stave off literal enslavement is to keep running prices up to get more and more people to do something they otherwise wouldn't want to do.
Excellent poast. Socialism mostly screws everyone with the same bottom-tier crap, except the super-elite, who always get a level unattainable to those outside the tier.
Eu healthcare is still mostly free but it is becoming trash because of the private sector push, copy pasted from us
in EU systems, practically everyone gets care, but it's only a 4 out of 10 on average. the top 1% of people can afford to go abroad to get significantly better healthcare elsewhere, and they often do.
in the US, the average is probably a 3.5 out of 10, but that's because there are a shitload of people who pay out of pocket, either because they can't afford healthcare (so they get a 0), or they're people who are healthy and just choose to pay out of pocket, and the metrics definitionally count them as 0. but if you're in that latter group, or you're in the top half, the care you're getting (when you get it) is at least a 6. and if you're in the top quartile, or top 10%, the care you're getting is a 7-9. top 1%ers like arnold are getting a 9-10. these options are not available in socialist healthcare. they're just not, and anyone who says they are is lying to your face. it's why that old meme comparing the star trek looking lab in socialist healthcare and rustbucket in private healthcare got fact checked... the star trek looking lab is in the US, and the rustbucket is NHS in the UK.
this is why although the US has healthcare tourism out of the US, we also have record healthcare tourism into the US, especially from EU/CA where they have socialist healthcare. if arnold only got socialist healthcare, he would have died decades ago. but instead he was getting a much higher quality of care already decades ago, and nowadays gets a elite tier care.
socialist healthcare seeks to redistribute quality of care 0.1-50% to the bottom half, that all of you plebs can get the dregs, while the elites can still get theirs. it's hyper-elitist, even more discriminatory than private healthcare.
Public healthcare worked just fine in most eu countries up until greed took over and some people wanted to get rich through private hospitals and private insurance.
Private hospitals artificially inflate the prices and insurance has to cover it, which leads to a cascade of ever increasing prices.
The only thing us is better at is care for the 0.0001% rich that can throw everything in it. But that is at the expense of 99.9999%
All in all a shit system.