1 year ago3 points(+0/-0/+3Score on mirror)1 child
>it’s nonsense because I say it is
>it’s wild because I say it is
>you’re programmed by jews to say things they don’t want you to know
Great argument. You know nothing at all about Islam and can’t comment on this subject. Your “arguments” are dismissed. Find another website, redditor. Your schtick doesn’t work here.
> [Kill everyone who doesn’t convert](https://archive.li/zSpXD), [never stop fighting them](https://archive.vn/oMhXt), [lie about truces](https://archive.li/W1jhY), [break truces before they do](https://archive.md/2ZU5k).
The most basic fucking shit about the religion and you don’t know it.
1. Quran 9:5 - what you call "Kill everyone who doesn’t convert"
This verse is often misunderstood. It was revealed during a time when the Muslims were under attack by the Meccan polytheists who had broken peace treaties. The verse is about defending against those who were actively fighting the Muslims, not a blanket command to kill non-Muslims.
2. Quran 9:29 - what you call "Never stop fighting them"
This verse came during the Battle of Tabuk when the Byzantine Empire was gearing up to attack the Muslims. It tells Muslims to defend themselves against those who are hostile. The mention of the jizyah tax was a way for non-Muslims to live peacefully under Muslim rule without converting.
3. Quran 3:28 - what you call "Lie about truces"
This verse advises Muslims to be cautious about who they trust, especially if their faith might be at risk. It’s about being smart and careful, not about lying or deceit.
4. Quran 8:58 - what you call "Break truces before they do"
This verse says if you think someone is going to break a treaty, you should formally end it first so both sides know what's happening. It’s about being fair and transparent, not sneaky.
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These verses are often taken out of context to make Islam look violent. But when you look at the historical background, they're about self-defense, justice, and maintaining peace.
1 year ago6 points(+0/-0/+6Score on mirror)1 child
>This verse is often misunderstood.
Translation: “I am copying and pasting things that my owners told me to say, straight from my playbook, and which have been disproven centuries ago.”
>The verse is about defending against those who were actively fighting the Muslims, not a blanket command to kill non-Muslims.
Too bad you’re wrong, as the other verses prove.
>This verse came during the Battle of Tabuk
No one gives a shit. Your pathetic attempts to peg these statements to a moment in time aren’t working because WE HAVE THE ENTIRE BODY OF MUSLIM WRITINGS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG.
>This verse advises Muslims to be cautious about who they trust
Muruna is “stretching” the truth to blend in behind enemy lines. This kind of deception is justified by Surah 2:106:
> “If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.”
Remember abrogation for later. Muslims use muruna to “forget” some of the commands in the Quran as long as they are pursuing a better command. Muslims striving to advance Islam are allowed to ignore Islamic laws if doing so would earn the trust of non-Muslims. Muslims practice muruna the way a chameleon changes colors–to avoid detection. Muslims will sometimes shave their beards, wear Western clothing, and even drink alcohol to blend in with non-Muslims.
>This verse says if you think someone is going to break a treaty, you should formally end it first
No, it explicitly says to break truces before someone else does. Eat shit, kike.
When Muslims are outnumbered and cannot win a physical confrontation with non-Muslims, they are commanded to live in peace and preach a message of tolerance. This is what Muhammad and his followers did as a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the “revelations” Muhammad “received” during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future–rather than worldly–punishment for unbelievers. Muslims practice hijrah when the enemy is too militarily strong to fight. Hijrah means ‘migration’ (and having up to 4 wives) to increase Muslim demographics. The goal is the implementation of Sharia by legal fiat within the country being conquered. In other terms, this is known as the “soft-kill approach.” Democracy, in other words. Majority rule. Mob rule. If Muslims are not completely forbidden from a country, they will eventually breed themselves into political power. Once in any position of authority, they repeal the country’s laws and institute Sharia. Or they physically rise up and slaughter the country’s natives, whereby they institute Sharia anyway.
Under Islamic law, Muslim women can’t marry a non-Muslim man. He must convert first. Muslim men, however, can marry non-Muslim women, but she must convert. Muslims practice abrogation here, using verses from the Mecca period. As their demographic percentage increases, they begin to implement the Medina verses–when jihad began. This is “trojan horse” politics. Muslims only reveal the truth once they have the numbers to defeat the natives. This stage also sees cases of mujahideen–jihad by brigands, or jihad by “lone wolf.” The term is most commonly recognized as a group of “freedom fighters” in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan War, but it is a general term for any instance of this behavior performed by Muslims. The mujahideen terrorize anyone who tries to stop “moderate” Muslims from implementing Sharia. These acts of terror serve as a distraction and facilitate an excuse for the hijrah–the first stage of jihad.
## Stage Two
Once Muslims gain the numbers and resources to defend their community in a location, they’re called to engage in “defensive” jihad. As history shows, once Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to have an army, he “received” Quran 22:39-40.
> “Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah…”
Muslims cite early verses to pretend Islam only allows defensive fighting. Later verses show otherwise. Reliance of the Traveller affirms that jihad is not a “spiritual struggle against sin;” it’s also a military war. Furthermore, it is always mandatory, even when infidels stay in their own countries without attacking Muslims:
> “The Obligatory Character of Jihad. Jihad is a communal obligation (def C3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.” **~ Reliance of the Traveller** O9.1
Concerning non-Muslims, there are two possible states of existence. When they are in their own countries, jihad (O9.8) is a communal obligation upon “all Muslims” each year. When non-Muslims invade a Muslim country or border one, jihad is personally obligatory (C3.2) upon the inhabitants of that country. Though called to always wage war against non-Muslims, a truce may be declared with them, but for no longer than 10 years. If Muslims are numerous enough to wage war, however, truces are forbidden. The truce may also be broken at any time simply by claiming there is fear the infidels will break it first.
## Stage Three
> “If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors.” **~ Quran Al-Anfal 8:58**
Once Muslims are a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he “received” the call the fight all unbelievers.
> “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” **~ Surah 9:29**
Notice this verse orders Muslims to fight not just their oppressors, but anyone who doesn’t follow Islam (including the “People of the Book”—jews and Christians). Unsurprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of hadith. Here again, the sole criterion for warring Muslims is that others believe something besides Islam. It’s clear that when Muslims rose to power historically, the “peaceful” Quran verses were abrogated by Muslim leaders to fight people based on their opposing beliefs. Islam’s greatest scholars acknowledge this.
> “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If any one of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.” **~ Ismail ibn Kathir**, one of Islam’s greatest commentators; Tafsir
> “Muhammad said: ‘I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.’” **~ Sahih Muslim 4366**
> “Muhammad said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.’” **~ Sahih Muslim 30**
> “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” **~ Quran 5:51**
> “Muhammad said: ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illallah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.’” **~ Sahih al-Bukhari 6924**
Today’s Muslims follow exactly the same principles in Western countries. A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence confirmed this in 2001. Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. When Islam is dominant, Muslims are commanded to subjugate or kill everyone around them. Observe the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim countries. For Muslims, there are only two possible situations: fighting nonbelievers and pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight. Either way, conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
# KILL YOURSELF.
I’m not dealing with this bargain basement bullshit.
1 year ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)1 child
>absolutely no argument, refutation, or content to post
Thank you for admitting that you lied about Islam and that everything I said on the subject is unquestionably correct. Don’t test me, you fucking yid. Or, rather, feel free to do so! You won’t win. Ever. Now fuck off back to somewhere your kike propaganda will be believed. Go on, motherfucker. Leave us with one last “Islam is a religion of peace” spam post before you go.
> Their holy book says “Kill everyone who doesn’t convert, never stop fighting them, lie about truces, break truces before they do.”
And you'll realize that your (((programming))) is disconnected from the truth.
Eg. Start with giving us references to the sections of their "holy book" which support your wild claims.
>it’s wild because I say it is
>you’re programmed by jews to say things they don’t want you to know
Great argument. You know nothing at all about Islam and can’t comment on this subject. Your “arguments” are dismissed. Find another website, redditor. Your schtick doesn’t work here.
> [Kill everyone who doesn’t convert](https://archive.li/zSpXD), [never stop fighting them](https://archive.vn/oMhXt), [lie about truces](https://archive.li/W1jhY), [break truces before they do](https://archive.md/2ZU5k).
The most basic fucking shit about the religion and you don’t know it.
1. Quran 9:5 - what you call "Kill everyone who doesn’t convert"
This verse is often misunderstood. It was revealed during a time when the Muslims were under attack by the Meccan polytheists who had broken peace treaties. The verse is about defending against those who were actively fighting the Muslims, not a blanket command to kill non-Muslims.
2. Quran 9:29 - what you call "Never stop fighting them"
This verse came during the Battle of Tabuk when the Byzantine Empire was gearing up to attack the Muslims. It tells Muslims to defend themselves against those who are hostile. The mention of the jizyah tax was a way for non-Muslims to live peacefully under Muslim rule without converting.
3. Quran 3:28 - what you call "Lie about truces"
This verse advises Muslims to be cautious about who they trust, especially if their faith might be at risk. It’s about being smart and careful, not about lying or deceit.
4. Quran 8:58 - what you call "Break truces before they do"
This verse says if you think someone is going to break a treaty, you should formally end it first so both sides know what's happening. It’s about being fair and transparent, not sneaky.
---
These verses are often taken out of context to make Islam look violent. But when you look at the historical background, they're about self-defense, justice, and maintaining peace.
Translation: “I am copying and pasting things that my owners told me to say, straight from my playbook, and which have been disproven centuries ago.”
>The verse is about defending against those who were actively fighting the Muslims, not a blanket command to kill non-Muslims.
Too bad you’re wrong, as the other verses prove.
>This verse came during the Battle of Tabuk
No one gives a shit. Your pathetic attempts to peg these statements to a moment in time aren’t working because WE HAVE THE ENTIRE BODY OF MUSLIM WRITINGS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG.
>This verse advises Muslims to be cautious about who they trust
Muruna is “stretching” the truth to blend in behind enemy lines. This kind of deception is justified by Surah 2:106:
> “If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.”
Remember abrogation for later. Muslims use muruna to “forget” some of the commands in the Quran as long as they are pursuing a better command. Muslims striving to advance Islam are allowed to ignore Islamic laws if doing so would earn the trust of non-Muslims. Muslims practice muruna the way a chameleon changes colors–to avoid detection. Muslims will sometimes shave their beards, wear Western clothing, and even drink alcohol to blend in with non-Muslims.
>This verse says if you think someone is going to break a treaty, you should formally end it first
No, it explicitly says to break truces before someone else does. Eat shit, kike.
>These verses are often taken out of context
# LITERALLY. COPIED. AND. PASTED. FROM. THE. FUCKING. SCRIPT.
You’re not even TRYING.
>when you look at the historical background
# LET’S DO THAT THEN, YOU STUPID FUCKING YID.
## Stage One
When Muslims are outnumbered and cannot win a physical confrontation with non-Muslims, they are commanded to live in peace and preach a message of tolerance. This is what Muhammad and his followers did as a persecuted minority in Mecca. Since Muslims were entirely outnumbered, the “revelations” Muhammad “received” during this stage (e.g. “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion”) called for religious tolerance and proclaimed a future–rather than worldly–punishment for unbelievers. Muslims practice hijrah when the enemy is too militarily strong to fight. Hijrah means ‘migration’ (and having up to 4 wives) to increase Muslim demographics. The goal is the implementation of Sharia by legal fiat within the country being conquered. In other terms, this is known as the “soft-kill approach.” Democracy, in other words. Majority rule. Mob rule. If Muslims are not completely forbidden from a country, they will eventually breed themselves into political power. Once in any position of authority, they repeal the country’s laws and institute Sharia. Or they physically rise up and slaughter the country’s natives, whereby they institute Sharia anyway.
Under Islamic law, Muslim women can’t marry a non-Muslim man. He must convert first. Muslim men, however, can marry non-Muslim women, but she must convert. Muslims practice abrogation here, using verses from the Mecca period. As their demographic percentage increases, they begin to implement the Medina verses–when jihad began. This is “trojan horse” politics. Muslims only reveal the truth once they have the numbers to defeat the natives. This stage also sees cases of mujahideen–jihad by brigands, or jihad by “lone wolf.” The term is most commonly recognized as a group of “freedom fighters” in Afghanistan during the Soviet-Afghan War, but it is a general term for any instance of this behavior performed by Muslims. The mujahideen terrorize anyone who tries to stop “moderate” Muslims from implementing Sharia. These acts of terror serve as a distraction and facilitate an excuse for the hijrah–the first stage of jihad.
## Stage Two
Once Muslims gain the numbers and resources to defend their community in a location, they’re called to engage in “defensive” jihad. As history shows, once Muhammad had formed alliances with various groups outside Mecca and the Muslim community had become large enough to have an army, he “received” Quran 22:39-40.
> “Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them; Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: our Lord is Allah…”
Muslims cite early verses to pretend Islam only allows defensive fighting. Later verses show otherwise. Reliance of the Traveller affirms that jihad is not a “spiritual struggle against sin;” it’s also a military war. Furthermore, it is always mandatory, even when infidels stay in their own countries without attacking Muslims:
> “The Obligatory Character of Jihad. Jihad is a communal obligation (def C3.2). When enough people perform it to successfully accomplish it, it is no longer obligatory upon others.” **~ Reliance of the Traveller** O9.1
Concerning non-Muslims, there are two possible states of existence. When they are in their own countries, jihad (O9.8) is a communal obligation upon “all Muslims” each year. When non-Muslims invade a Muslim country or border one, jihad is personally obligatory (C3.2) upon the inhabitants of that country. Though called to always wage war against non-Muslims, a truce may be declared with them, but for no longer than 10 years. If Muslims are numerous enough to wage war, however, truces are forbidden. The truce may also be broken at any time simply by claiming there is fear the infidels will break it first.
## Stage Three
> “If you [have reason to] fear from a people betrayal, throw [their treaty] back to them, [putting you] on equal terms. Indeed, Allah does not like traitors.” **~ Quran Al-Anfal 8:58**
Once Muslims are a majority and achieve political power in an area, they are commanded to engage in offensive jihad. Hence, once Mecca and Arabia were under Muhammad’s control, he “received” the call the fight all unbelievers.
> “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” **~ Surah 9:29**
Notice this verse orders Muslims to fight not just their oppressors, but anyone who doesn’t follow Islam (including the “People of the Book”—jews and Christians). Unsurprisingly, we find similar commands in Islam’s most trusted collections of hadith. Here again, the sole criterion for warring Muslims is that others believe something besides Islam. It’s clear that when Muslims rose to power historically, the “peaceful” Quran verses were abrogated by Muslim leaders to fight people based on their opposing beliefs. Islam’s greatest scholars acknowledge this.
> “Therefore all people of the world should be called to Islam. If any one of them refuses to do so, or refuses to pay the Jizyah, they should be fought till they are killed.” **~ Ismail ibn Kathir**, one of Islam’s greatest commentators; Tafsir
> “Muhammad said: ‘I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.’” **~ Sahih Muslim 4366**
> “Muhammad said: ‘I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.’” **~ Sahih Muslim 30**
> “O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” **~ Quran 5:51**
> “Muhammad said: ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: La ilaha illallah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and whoever said La ilaha illallah, Allah will save his property and his life from me.’” **~ Sahih al-Bukhari 6924**
Today’s Muslims follow exactly the same principles in Western countries. A Summary of Islamic Jurisprudence confirmed this in 2001. Is Islam a religion of peace? No. Islam pretends to be peaceful when Muslims are too weak to win a war. When Islam is dominant, Muslims are commanded to subjugate or kill everyone around them. Observe the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim countries. For Muslims, there are only two possible situations: fighting nonbelievers and pretending to be peaceful while preparing to fight. Either way, conquering the world in the name of Allah is always the goal.
# KILL YOURSELF.
I’m not dealing with this bargain basement bullshit.
Thank you for admitting that you lied about Islam and that everything I said on the subject is unquestionably correct. Don’t test me, you fucking yid. Or, rather, feel free to do so! You won’t win. Ever. Now fuck off back to somewhere your kike propaganda will be believed. Go on, motherfucker. Leave us with one last “Islam is a religion of peace” spam post before you go.