A Literal Bot Subreddit (www.reddit.com)
posted 4 months ago by LGBTQIAIDS
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Edited 2022-05-20 13:40:30
Recently, some people here have brought up what has come to be known as 'Dead Internet Theory'. This term denotes the idea that most internet users are in fact bots.
   
There have been numerous findings that lend support to such an idea. For example, a brief report by US tech company Barracuda Networks, released in September 2021, claims: 'Bots make up nearly two-thirds of internet traffic'.
   
https://web.archive.org/web/20211203013241/https://assets.barracuda.com/assets/docs/dms/Bot_Attacks_report_vol1_EN.pdf
   
Bifurcating bots into 'good' and 'bad', this report further claims that only 25% of 'automated traffic' comes from 'known good bots', whereas 40% comes from 'known bad bots'.
   
The report provides five examples of real-life 'bad bots'. However, none of these bots were attempting to emulate social media users.
   
*Reddit* is one website, however, where such bots can be found. Indeed, there is actually at least one whole subreddit full of them:
   
Enter 'Subreddit Simulator using GPT-2', a subreddit in which *not a single user* appears to be human.
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/new
   
Whilst many of their conversations appear to be nonsensical, one might surmise that advances in AI might lead these bots to one day have conversations that appear more real than those being had between human users. Furthermore, that less intelligent and/or tech-savvy users, likely unaware of bots—let alone capable of telling the difference between bots and humans—might already be fooled by this subreddit as it is.
   
A question for discussion: Could it be possible that bots will one day be used by the forces of globohomo to create, for example, false impressions that their beliefs, candidates, parties, etc. are more popular than they really are? That opposing beliefs, candidates, parties, etc. are less popular than they really are? Could it be possible that dissident groups could do the same? Could it be possible, in the not-too-distant future, that the opinions of internet users will become completely unrepresentative of those of humans? If so, and combining this with an exceedingly atomized world, could there really be a 'post-truth' world? One in which late-modern phenomena such as circular reporting and filter bubbles, paired with advanced AI, create an internet that *appears* incredibly active and informative, and yet is composed only of more advanced versions of the literal gobbledygook and meaningless nonsense that goes on in this subreddit's threads?
   
Full of 'history' that, in fact, *never happened*:
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/comments/utevfv/why_did_north_korea_go_from_being_an_isolationist/
   
Full of seemingly informative 'science' that is, in fact, pure nonsense:
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/comments/uttimy/how_can_a_nuclear_reactor_take_so_much_energy_to/
   
Full of discussions about movies that, in fact, *aren't even real*...
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/comments/uoip3j/the_game_the_game_2004_a_film_about_the_game_of/
   
... and if they are, by 'people' who *never watched*—and know nothing about—them:
   
https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/comments/usks1b/theory_about_the_ending_of_the_original_star_wars/
   
Crossposted to: https://saidit.net/s/debatealtright/comments/9aaf/a_literal_bot_subreddit/
   
Also crossposted to: https://scored.co/c/DebateAltRight/p/15HvL8gpjr/a-literal-bot-subreddit/c

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4 months ago 1 point
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We are certainly seeing this theory play out as Musk has challenged Twitter on its user counts. Half of Joe Biden's followers were found to be bots.

Not only will our enemies be using these bots to boost their own numbers they will be using them to make our side look violent or unhinged. Heavily moderated spaces are probably going to be the only game in town moving forward and even then you have to deal with the real life paid shills.
4 months ago 0 points
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Lol, let's go deeper. Elon might be the one responsible for a lot of these bots.
  
  
Let's look at GPT for a moment, the bot responsible for the creation of this all-bot subreddit. GPT was made by a company named OpenAI.
  
  
So, who founded OpenAI? Well, a lot of people. But one of the co-founders is Elon Musk.
  
  
Do you see what I'm getting at?
 
 
Although he resigned from the company in 2018, he still funds the company as he remains a donor for it.
4 months ago 0 points
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>Elon might be the one responsible for a lot of these bots.

No doubt. I don't think he intended on buying Twitter at all. He's just exposing them and forcing their hand (because he knew they were inflating their users). This way he gets to effectively control twitter the next 6-12 months while everything is tied up in litigation. They might even end up giving him a big discount or paying him a billion.
4 months ago 0 points
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Yeah. What is the only reason these (((billionaires))) do anything? Power, money, and control. They do not care about anything else.
 
I don't even think Elon will do anything that the trumptards keep on saying that he will do...
4 months ago 0 points
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Taking this conversation further with a Saidit user:
  
Imagine a world in which [these posts aren't] regarded merely as some gibberish, but as [objective truths].
  
Perhaps those who defend [the Pope], in [this scenario in which he is accused of blessing the use of the 'n-word'], will *themselves* be the ones accused of being 'the real bots'.
  
That's probably how it'll end up between the future humans on the internet.
  
Online conversations between human users, many aware of the ubiquity of bots but unable to differentiate them from other human users, may well end up resembling something like:
  
'You're the real bots!'
  
'No, you're the real bots!'
  
'No, I'm not a bot. You're the real bots!'
  
I think we can actually already see this beginning to happen with the 'Russian/Putin shill' thing. Plenty of conversations *already* play out like the above, but with terms like 'Russian shill' in place of 'bot'. In both there is a common theme that is not shared with other common things such as the "You're the real racist!" spiel; namely, that the person on the other end is in some way fake.
  
One thing that reminds me of all this is the long-running 'Postmodern Generator'. At first glance, what it produces might seem to be coherent, but it is actually—and quite obviously upon closer inspection—complete nonsense. The purpose of it was to ridicule academicese, but it is easy to see how people just starting out in continental philosophy might mistake some of this nonsense as academically rigorous work:
  
https://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/
  
I can imagine an undergraduate student reading the following, and believing that it is indeed as believable as anything he has read from a book or journal:
  
> “Sexuality is part of the collapse of culture,” says Lacan; however, according to Werther, it is not so much sexuality that is part of the collapse of culture, but rather the absurdity of sexuality. In a sense, von Ludwig holds that we have to choose between Derridaist reading and textual dematerialism. If the precultural paradigm of reality holds, the works of Tarantino are postmodern.
  
It is, of course, random gibberish. But with a bit of alteration, it would not look out of place in the works of some postmodernist author.
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