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If these groups aren't prepared to be militias then they are useless.

Just a bunch of lubed up naked men who enjoy taking photos of lubed up naked men.

You don't need to be german to come up with a decree. It doesn't have to be national socialism, but something has to give. The italians had a decree (even though they decided they wanted to appeal to everyone anyways, but still). The British union of fascists had a decree. Germany was far from the only country that had a point program.

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>but I don't think that we need to worry about that too much. When we kicked the brit's assess off America, no one really had agreement of any concrete ideas of what our new government should look like, the founding fathers were flying by the seat of their pants there, but because they stayed true to their ideals they were able to put together a constitution that has served us quite well until now.

True but there is a big possibility that it *can* end up very badly when your ideology is too nebulous, especially concerning economics, which a lot of patriot front members will probably wildly disagree over particularly if it becomes a problem after taking power. Economics wasn't really a concern for the patriots because there weren't 500 different economic models when they came about. There was mercantilism, feudalism, and fledgling capitalism. That's pretty much it. And the third one was really the only option that actually existed to them, they werent a colonial power and so they couldn't enact mercantilism, and they weren't in charge of a country with a deep rooted aristocracy so the option of feudalism didn't exist to them either (though the south was semi-feudalist in an odd sort of way). The choice was pretty cut and dry.

And people will murder each other over economics, they'll fight, they'll splinter, there will be purges over it, etc. It happened to Germany, which is why the knight of long knives was a thing (it eradicated both the conservative capitalists and the more Marxian socialists from the party). Italy almost went into a full blown Civil War in the 20s because mussolini disagreed with the blackshirts on economics, and he almost resigned from the PNF entirely and rejoined the Italian socialist party. It was quite horrible for everyone involved. But the blackshirts were far too nebulous of an organization because it appealed to absolutely everyone in Italy that wasnt a bleeding heart communist or an ultra-reactionary monarchist (and even some of those too, Nicola Bombacci comes to mind). Same as the SA.

I also did not mention the utter fucking disaster that was the chinese kuomintang after sun Yat Sen died, the economic vagueness of that party led to the chinese civil war, the warlord era, and arguably led to an easy Japanese occupation. The KMT had almost no clearly defined goals whatsoever, so that kind of left everyone standing around with their hands in their pockets while Sun Yat Sen was alive, and then with a knife to each others throats after he died. Mao started as a KMT Cadre, this should be noted.

So while a political victory is definitely possible without clearly defined goals, particularly with economics it can turn into a severe issue later on down the line. Less so back then, much more so now. Germany mitigated it in comparison to Italy, or God forbid, nationalist china, because Germany already had the doctrine in place, but it still came with major friction, a splinter party (the black front), and political purges. Entirely because of disagreements on what the word socialism means (and also because of random judeo-capitalists that got lost and ended up in the wrong place). Patriot front should either come up with a more exclusionary vision for how to run the country or brace for the shock that could very well and probably will happen if they do not. The first option leads to less membership but less factionalism and violence down the road (but it certainly doesn't remove the possibility of those things entirely), the second option leads to much higher membership but with a good chance of violence and splintering down the road, possibly to the point of splitting the country in half if it goes really badly. It's definitely a weighty choice. But right now patriot front is a sort of "big tent" party for american nationalists. Hard to say what they'll do in the coming years though, they could adopt tenants with more specificity in the future. The NSDAP did under hitler, the original DAP was also extremely vague and unorganized too.

People will often tend to say that economics don't matter, but they absolutely do, and people care very adamantly about it. When you get to the point of running a country, you have to pick *something* to do it. You can't just have a country with no economy at all because that's impossible.

And this is just concerning economics. Patriot front doesn't really have a defined model of governance either. Authoritarian? Republican? Democratic? Quite hard to say. I would bet on some manner of republicanism because of their staunch belief in the founding values of America, but again they don't really say it so we're left to infer. Although this problem is lesser in comparison to the economics issue. People are a lot less likely to start shooting each other based off of what leadership style they choose vs their economics.

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Multiple arrested members had ties to atomwaffen. Plus Patrick Macdonald, who was/is a graphic designer for the group, was the main graphic designer for atomwaffen. The founder himself doesnt have atomwaffen ties, but If I were the ringleader of the active clubs, I'd be hesitant to involve a single member of atomwaffen. There's a good chance that it's crawling with feds. Plus active club guys seem to have a high rate of conveniently being arrested without doing anything as well, which is weird. And even if aforementioned atomwaffen members are not feds, they are insane satanic occultists because that's what atomwaffen turned into because it ended up being ran by guys from o9a. The stereotypical roided out and tatted up "neo nazi skinhead" look of all the photos of active club members also looks like the general look of atomwaffen guys, but that's just purely anecdotal on my part. Patriot front guys look a lot different.

I don't have any absolutely definitive proof that they're an offshoot of atomwaffen, but there are multiple blaring alarm bells regarding active club and they're all ringing in my head. Something something pattern recognition.

I'm not afraid of political activism either. I don't decry movements as feds on a whim like cuckservative shills. I've been to Falange española rallies before. But there is absolutely something I very much distrust about white nationalist accelerationist "Boogaloo" militia groups with barely any political manifesto apart from "kill all the niggers and jews whenever the race war starts". Especially ones that overtly throw 3rd Reich symbolism everywhere, and we know that the cia specifically created and/or funded groups with overt and out of place 3rd Reich symbolism outside of Germany with operation gladio. Symbolism is important. 3rd Reich symbolism was unique to Germany (well, some of it was broadly germanic, but others specifically german in particular). The totenkopf has nothing to do with America at all, neither do waffen ss shields, or anything else. The whole point of fascist symbolism is that it's symbolism that exists in your nation, which is why totenkopfs everywhere look really fucking weird and federal (this image does not contain totenkopfs, but I know that active club uses them quite frequently). Germany, Spain, Romania, and Italy for instance shared approximately 0 symbols amongst each other whatsoever. Apart from the roman salute, which came from Italy and everyone else more or less copied. Sonnenrads, totenkopfs, celtic crosses, and wolfsangels. What do these have to do with *america*? Literally nothing. Weird.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed