You are viewing a single comment's thread. View all
2
devotech2 on scored.co
11 hours ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
The Ukraine banned the actual orthodox church of Ukraine because it was in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate (because of course it is... that's how the church works) and promoted instead the schismatic Orthodox Church of Ukraine (which has a grand old age of 8 years in existence). Given that the Ukraine is a jewish state, it's safe to say that this church is jewish.
That being said, however, the orthodox church has almost never had any say whatsoever in anything secular. The only time they did was when Peter the great made the tsar the acting head of the orthodox church, and this hasn't been a thing since the bolshevik revolution when (by a very strong technicality) the patriachate was restored to its original position.
The orthodox church has pretty much never said anything in favor of or against migration (beyond the opinions of individual priests) because the orthodox church has never had the role of any sort of protector of anything at all except spiritual issues, it has always traditionally handed the reigns over entirely to heads of state and went in accordance with whatever they did (provided they didn't view it as anathema or something of the sort. The iconoclasm issue was something they did not go along with)
This is contrast to the catholic church, and even some strands of protestantism, which have always traditionally been the leader of all sorts of secular topics since Charlemagne had his power tied up with the Pope. And this is still very much the case (even if now symbolic) with the sitting pope offering his opinion on this exact issue (and it actually isn't a particularly bad opinion). Meanwhile from any patriarch you will hear absolute silence on the topic because they don't think it's their place to speak on it and they haven't spoken on it since before the churches were even in schism.
And that brings me to my next point: there is an exception and that is patriarch Kirill, who makes secular political statements on a near constant basis. This is also why Kirill is extremely controversial inside and outside of the ROC.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
10 hours ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
Well, my entire point in the first place is that orthodoxy rarely does and has never done anything at all to "protect society", except on moral issues, because they view that entirely as being the affair of heads of state. Except, as I said, Kirill who talks about these things all the time. The reason why orthodoxy does not intervene in anything secular is because the eastern Roman empire survived and the western Roman empire did not, the Latin rite had to carve out its existence, its legitimacy, and unite separated tribes, whereas the eastern church (neither were in schism yet) had an existing state, a powerful one, that supported its proliferation. So the church never needed to do anything at all, everything was naturally handled by political leaders and this was the same in Russia (until tsar Peter at least).
Moreover, the Ukraine had already been undergoing a decade of "de-Russification" at that point. It didn't exactly take much for the ukrainian authorities to get the people to submit to doing this when they had already primed them for supporting anything as long as it's against Russia (and Ukrainians are really like this. You could tell them to stab themselves in the eyes as a protest against Russia and they most likely would do so). And Ukrainians have been like this since before the war even began.
The main issue with orthodoxy is this: it is far too insular and unadapting (ironically the same reason its still relatively un-jewed). Its desire to stay out of all secular affairs worked perfectly well for them in the past when they had heads of state that supported them, were orthodox, and enacted laws that the church agreed with. It even ensured their unlikely survival during the USSR, with the CPSU eventually viewing the patriarchate as an effective non-issue, but now? The church should take a more active role in political matters. I myself pointed out the same flaw that you are.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
As far as I knew, the only official entity with any real power that has even questioned the holohoax was Iran and I think it was Ahmadinejad when he was their foreign minister. I remember it being a HUGE deal on plebbit with a lot of normies crying about it.
That being said, however, the orthodox church has almost never had any say whatsoever in anything secular. The only time they did was when Peter the great made the tsar the acting head of the orthodox church, and this hasn't been a thing since the bolshevik revolution when (by a very strong technicality) the patriachate was restored to its original position.
The orthodox church has pretty much never said anything in favor of or against migration (beyond the opinions of individual priests) because the orthodox church has never had the role of any sort of protector of anything at all except spiritual issues, it has always traditionally handed the reigns over entirely to heads of state and went in accordance with whatever they did (provided they didn't view it as anathema or something of the sort. The iconoclasm issue was something they did not go along with)
This is contrast to the catholic church, and even some strands of protestantism, which have always traditionally been the leader of all sorts of secular topics since Charlemagne had his power tied up with the Pope. And this is still very much the case (even if now symbolic) with the sitting pope offering his opinion on this exact issue (and it actually isn't a particularly bad opinion). Meanwhile from any patriarch you will hear absolute silence on the topic because they don't think it's their place to speak on it and they haven't spoken on it since before the churches were even in schism.
And that brings me to my next point: there is an exception and that is patriarch Kirill, who makes secular political statements on a near constant basis. This is also why Kirill is extremely controversial inside and outside of the ROC.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
You can't ban something that actually is doing something to protect it's society and to do so you need power. Because Christianity had no power.
It just proves his point.
Moreover, the Ukraine had already been undergoing a decade of "de-Russification" at that point. It didn't exactly take much for the ukrainian authorities to get the people to submit to doing this when they had already primed them for supporting anything as long as it's against Russia (and Ukrainians are really like this. You could tell them to stab themselves in the eyes as a protest against Russia and they most likely would do so). And Ukrainians have been like this since before the war even began.
The main issue with orthodoxy is this: it is far too insular and unadapting (ironically the same reason its still relatively un-jewed). Its desire to stay out of all secular affairs worked perfectly well for them in the past when they had heads of state that supported them, were orthodox, and enacted laws that the church agreed with. It even ensured their unlikely survival during the USSR, with the CPSU eventually viewing the patriarchate as an effective non-issue, but now? The church should take a more active role in political matters. I myself pointed out the same flaw that you are.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
This sounds an awful lot like how Canada builds it's culture on not being American.