I want to preface this with two statements: One, I apologize if this is not the right place to post. ConsumeProduct seems to be a gathering place for people who question established narratives, so hopefully this fits. And two, on the face of it, this seems like an insane question. But I don't know if an insane person can witness his own psychosis, and I do feel pretty grounded.
I have no strong evidence that nuclear weapons don't exist. But it seems bizarre that, in the 80 years since the US nuked Japan, no rogue state or terrorist group has detonated a dirty bomb in an enemy city.
I have slowly been waking up to the layers of deception that countries throw on their citizens. For me, one of the biggest ones is the lie that HIV is deadly. Without derailing into too much detail, the virus is harmless, and many people get diagnosed with AIDS despite testing negative, while many others test positive for HIV but don't get diagnosed with AIDS (and the criteria vary widely from country to country, e.g. AIDS in Africa aligns much more closely with malnutrition). And Fauci and the US government capitalized on this hoax in order to make people more afraid and less connected with each other, because such people are easier to control. And what I see playing out over and over again is governments layering in their deception, so that when someone starts questioning one lie, they have no idea where to stop. For instance, health experts in the US tell us that we need to circumcise newborn baby boys in order to prevent the spread of HIV. But circumcision is insane even before the HIV claim, and the claim itself is nonsense, and HIV is not even dangerous. This apparatus also lies more generally, e.g. telling us that the polio virus rather than insecticides paralyzed people in the 40s.
So, the existence of nuclear weapons seems like another great way to instill fear in people: "Don't live your life, you might die in a horrible explosion at any second." (I believe the claims of global warming operate in a similar manner.) But that on its own is not a convincing reason to disbelieve something. I know that Israel stole nuclear secrets from the US, and they probably assassinated JFK when he wanted to inspect their nuclear facilities. Is this part of the layered deception? Netanyahu keeps telling the world that we need to destroy Iran because they will soon have nuclear bombs, but he wants them destroyed regardless, and this sounds like the exact same pretext Israel used in order to make the US destroy Iraq.
I've heard the narrative that the US actually firebombed Japan, and we pretended we have nuclear weapons to posture against the Soviets. Chernobyl was a wasteland for decades (or still is?), and yet Hiroshima and Nagasaki supposedly recovered just fine? I can't imagine a nuclear facility would have magnitudes more energy than a weapon created explicitly to destroy an enemy nation.
Over the last few months, I became convinced that the Holocaust did not happen in the traditional sense: Yes, Hitler put Jews in concentration camps, but this was because Jews declared war on Germany. I don't see this action as fundamentally different from what the US did to the Japanese. And I think the 271,000 casualties that the Red Cross reported happened when the Allies bombed German supply lines and they could no longer feed anyone. Maybe Hitler planned on killing them once he could no longer use them to fuel his war machine, but the gas chamber narrative is utterly ridiculous.
Anyway, I say all this to highlight what looks like another layered deception. I know that Hitler removed Jews from universities, talking about how he didn't want Jewish physics in academia. When I first heard this, I scoffed, because surely nothing could be more objective than physics. But academics have acknowledged for a long time that physics has stagnated, and this stagnation appears to have happened ever since we discovered relativity and quantum mechanics. If the bombs only functioned because of breakthroughs in relativity, but the bombs didn't actually exist, does this mean that relativity is also a lie? Was Einstein another piece of propaganda in order to praise Jewish supremacy?
Writing this out even sounds insane to me. Aside from a few thin conspiratorial strands here, I have no reason to doubt that relativity and quantum mechanics are real. And as I understand them (which is not much), their existence allows technologies like GPS and microchips to function. But a few years ago, I faced the same bizarre dichotomy in the face of vaccines: Okay, I said, the covid vaccine is bullshit. But *surely* health officials were not lying to me for the last hundred years about the efficacy of all of these *other* vaccines...right? But now I know that they are all also useless poison, and this narrative is omnipresent, and anyone who questions their holy status gets ruthlessly attacked.
I could go off on so many tangents here, but I should wrap this up. I would be very interested in any books you know of that argue that nuclear weapons do not exist (or that they do). For a few years now, I've started to feel vaguely the same way about the moon landings, i.e. that they never happened and were another lie propagated by the US to posture against the Soviets (or at least to steal taxpayers' money to fund horrible shit). But when I looked for arguments for this position, I found them pretty weak, so maybe I'm far off the mark here and we just had shitty cameras or something back then.
Thank you for your time.
I have no strong evidence that nuclear weapons don't exist. But it seems bizarre that, in the 80 years since the US nuked Japan, no rogue state or terrorist group has detonated a dirty bomb in an enemy city.
I have slowly been waking up to the layers of deception that countries throw on their citizens. For me, one of the biggest ones is the lie that HIV is deadly. Without derailing into too much detail, the virus is harmless, and many people get diagnosed with AIDS despite testing negative, while many others test positive for HIV but don't get diagnosed with AIDS (and the criteria vary widely from country to country, e.g. AIDS in Africa aligns much more closely with malnutrition). And Fauci and the US government capitalized on this hoax in order to make people more afraid and less connected with each other, because such people are easier to control. And what I see playing out over and over again is governments layering in their deception, so that when someone starts questioning one lie, they have no idea where to stop. For instance, health experts in the US tell us that we need to circumcise newborn baby boys in order to prevent the spread of HIV. But circumcision is insane even before the HIV claim, and the claim itself is nonsense, and HIV is not even dangerous. This apparatus also lies more generally, e.g. telling us that the polio virus rather than insecticides paralyzed people in the 40s.
So, the existence of nuclear weapons seems like another great way to instill fear in people: "Don't live your life, you might die in a horrible explosion at any second." (I believe the claims of global warming operate in a similar manner.) But that on its own is not a convincing reason to disbelieve something. I know that Israel stole nuclear secrets from the US, and they probably assassinated JFK when he wanted to inspect their nuclear facilities. Is this part of the layered deception? Netanyahu keeps telling the world that we need to destroy Iran because they will soon have nuclear bombs, but he wants them destroyed regardless, and this sounds like the exact same pretext Israel used in order to make the US destroy Iraq.
I've heard the narrative that the US actually firebombed Japan, and we pretended we have nuclear weapons to posture against the Soviets. Chernobyl was a wasteland for decades (or still is?), and yet Hiroshima and Nagasaki supposedly recovered just fine? I can't imagine a nuclear facility would have magnitudes more energy than a weapon created explicitly to destroy an enemy nation.
Over the last few months, I became convinced that the Holocaust did not happen in the traditional sense: Yes, Hitler put Jews in concentration camps, but this was because Jews declared war on Germany. I don't see this action as fundamentally different from what the US did to the Japanese. And I think the 271,000 casualties that the Red Cross reported happened when the Allies bombed German supply lines and they could no longer feed anyone. Maybe Hitler planned on killing them once he could no longer use them to fuel his war machine, but the gas chamber narrative is utterly ridiculous.
Anyway, I say all this to highlight what looks like another layered deception. I know that Hitler removed Jews from universities, talking about how he didn't want Jewish physics in academia. When I first heard this, I scoffed, because surely nothing could be more objective than physics. But academics have acknowledged for a long time that physics has stagnated, and this stagnation appears to have happened ever since we discovered relativity and quantum mechanics. If the bombs only functioned because of breakthroughs in relativity, but the bombs didn't actually exist, does this mean that relativity is also a lie? Was Einstein another piece of propaganda in order to praise Jewish supremacy?
Writing this out even sounds insane to me. Aside from a few thin conspiratorial strands here, I have no reason to doubt that relativity and quantum mechanics are real. And as I understand them (which is not much), their existence allows technologies like GPS and microchips to function. But a few years ago, I faced the same bizarre dichotomy in the face of vaccines: Okay, I said, the covid vaccine is bullshit. But *surely* health officials were not lying to me for the last hundred years about the efficacy of all of these *other* vaccines...right? But now I know that they are all also useless poison, and this narrative is omnipresent, and anyone who questions their holy status gets ruthlessly attacked.
I could go off on so many tangents here, but I should wrap this up. I would be very interested in any books you know of that argue that nuclear weapons do not exist (or that they do). For a few years now, I've started to feel vaguely the same way about the moon landings, i.e. that they never happened and were another lie propagated by the US to posture against the Soviets (or at least to steal taxpayers' money to fund horrible shit). But when I looked for arguments for this position, I found them pretty weak, so maybe I'm far off the mark here and we just had shitty cameras or something back then.
Thank you for your time.