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posted 18 hours ago by Shadys_Back on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +18Score on mirror )
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devotech2 on scored.co
15 hours ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror ) 1 child
Learn the difference between simply trading an item or even your labor for money and actual systemic capitalism.

I believe that where you're getting mixed up is what capitalism means as a word. There are lots of different things that can be considered capitalistic. By your definition, yes, selling to the highest bidder is "capitalist", but capitalism as a cohesive economic theory is much more recent and much more complex.

Capitalism is when there is a dominant mode of production of private owners of capital (means of production, transportation, necessary items for production) extract the labour of workers operating on that capital.

How can a mode of production be dominant? Only if the state apparatus is run and set up in the interests of that mode of production. In this example, it would be a state of the capitalist class, which uses its monopoly on violence to coerce the working class into working for a small minority of capitalists.

The class of capitalists consists of those who would have been considered middle class before the French revolution. They uprooted the old economic system of feudalism/mercantilism and started to implement capitalism. The first place where this socioeconomic theory became mature was the Netherlands, and this was done by jews. Followed shortly after by England, also by jews there. Then followed by France. The United states is a bizarre case where it was partly settled by people entirely reactionary towards the new order (particularly in the south) and partly settled by its biggest advocates (particularly in the north). The current system was, in fact, created by Dutch and english jews. Not Adam Smith, who simply wrote about how it worked 100 years later. It was picked up by the bourgeoisie of Europe, but they knew from what people it came from, which is why in almost every case, after overthrowing the old order, the capitalist class gave emancipation to jewry as a token thank you for their theories.

Capitalism took a back seat to marxism as being the most named jewish economic theory, largely because marx slapped his name on it, but don't let that fool you. It's all made by the same people.

And, moreover, capitalism is a deceptive word. Capital always exists no matter what system is in place. So do profit motives. Whether that profit goes to one person, to the workers who own the capital, or to an aristocrat is the issue. Capitalism is a question of who *owns* the capital. Is it the state? Is it gentry? Is it democratically owned? Is it owned by slavers? If none of these, it is privately owned, and thus capitalism.

Capitalism is a complex creature. This does not even scrape the surface of the more modern, and much worse, finance capitalism.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed



steele2 on scored.co
15 hours ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
>Capitalism is when there is a dominant mode of production of private owners of capital (means of production, transportation, necessary items for production) extract the labour of workers operating on that capital.

You need to link me to PRECISELY what variant of capitalism you are arguing against.

I can't discuss this with you when you're feeding me fragments of your subjective version of capitalism, one shard at a time.

I'm arguing classic capitalism in it's most fundamental form.

>Capitalism is a complex creature

No it isn't.

I have no clue what bells and whistles and agents and mechanisms your variant includes to make it such a complex creature... but it does make me wonder if your criticism of capitalism variant #76523 is really a criticism of all the vestigial shit you've chosen to include.
devotech2 on scored.co
15 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
I'm describing capitalism as in the private ownership of capital, the actual definition of capitalism. "Industrial capitalism" if you will. The most common variant that the west has been built off of since the 1800s.

>vestigial shit you've chosen to include

That's literally just capitalism. You're describing vagueness that can be applied to every economic theory that has ever existed, even communism.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
steele2 on scored.co
14 hours ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 2 children
>Industrial capitalism

FINALLY!

Your issue isn't with capitalism but with entrepreneurs owning their own businesses.

Why shouldn't successful, hard working businessmen own their own businesses?

What makes you think government is more honest than entrepreneurs?

Have you considered you haven't solved the fundamental problem of greed and power, only moved it from a CEO to a Congressman?
Fabius on scored.co
14 hours ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
He just thinks investment banking and government regulation is capitalism. None of this jewish shit would work without government protections. Insurance fraud would be rampant, leading to failure. Without corporations (another government invention) liability would be placed directly on individuals, making them far more cautious about business decisions. If you could just tell a guy to fuck off after he loaned you money, you would shrink credit, which would be a return to actual market prices. 80% of our economy is debt. I'd go so far to say that 99% of actual real wealth is concentrated at the top 1% of humanity. The rest is debt and credit. All of this is propped up by government and their codified banking system.

Props to you for even trying to argue this with someone on the internet like it's 2003. Entire volumes have been written about this shit. This nigger needs to read a book.
steele2 on scored.co
14 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Thank you.
devotech2 on scored.co
14 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
It is a system that inherently rewards ruthlessness and moral decadence. The state, a good one, can set guidelines that people cannot be expected in a majority of cases to follow on their own. Although I do not agree with state ownership of the economy either.

I advocate corporatism. The economic system of the italians and the germans. Not socialism nor capitalism.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
steele2 on scored.co
14 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>ruthlessness and moral decadence

A.k.a greed.

What makes you think business owners, with a love for their enterprises creation born from hard work and sacrifice, are greedier than Congressmen who have no love for other people's concerns?

What makes you think Congressmen are more responsible with spending our money than we are?

It sounds like you've moved the problem, not solved it.

'Like filling a car's gas tank with petrol to make the low-gas-light turn off.

  
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