Cabbage can reduce estrogen levels by 50% and boost testosterone
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Oh. I see. It's *this* again: Someone acts like they discovered the Fountain of Youth and then it turns out what you're losing your shit about is just "eat normal healthy stuff". So no you don't need to chug your sauerkraut smoothies. Just like... Eat green veggies. Which of you actually needed to be told that?
And I dunno I guess I'm secure enough in my masculinity to not be in mind-bending stress that my testicles are going to dry out and fall off unless I keep my precious bodily fluids pure.
You people treating your kitchen like it's a pharmacy are insane and you need to recognize that there's a line that you need to draw between making an effort to just do right, and obsession. Much like how both bodybuilding and working out both involve the gym, but one of those is for people with weird body image hangups who end up chugging chemical cocktails and look like bloated tryhards.
> just "eat normal healthy stuff"
I mean, yeah. That really is what any good diet boils down to, particularly when softened into a manageable and sustainable form. Carnivore is kinda cool and all, but it's seriously easier to just eat steak with butter and broccoli. Cook at home with reasonable quality ingredients and you're eating healthy. I bet a diet of "Don't eat anything that comes out of a box" would perform great.
There are a lot of things that have a core of truth, like "compound X in food Y has proven to do Z", but realistically, Z is influenced by so many environmental factors and bio-feedback mechanisms that no amount of eating Y will change the game dramatically. So just, you know, eat your vegetables.
>You people treating your kitchen like it's a pharmacy are insane
That's where you begin to mislead, though. What we eat is important, so much more important than we think. For pretty much any problem you're struggling with in your body, mental or physical, the kitchen should be the first place you look. The solution may be simpler than we think (eat home cooked meat and vegetables) but thinking critically about the most effective tools for improving health isn't unreasonable or a waste of time. Especially when the ultimate prescriptions end up being things like "here's a tasty way to cook beef liver." I just sense some mistargeted derision.
I dunno, maybe we're in agreement, and just using different tone.
For example, OP claimed cabbage 'reduces estrogen levels by 50%'. No, it doesn't. That's completely fucking made-up. Nothing anyone can show anywhere would even begin to suggest that that's true.
But more to the point, the whole diet thing really does border on a religious-like lunacy, *and I'm probably being unfair to others about this*, but there absolutely have been some of the more schizo members of this forum sharing things that are creepy and weird.
On the more innocent side of things there's the crazy 'alchemy' stuff. Where they'll "believe science" when it comes to complex molecules and how they interact chemically with your body, and it's sharply contrasted with the belief that modern medicine is 100% fake and that you can cure everything by rubbing fermented goat shit on your infected wound... weird "way of the ancients" shit.
This goes further to the more insidious side of things, where you'll see people posting fucking voodoo garbage about aligning chakras and how drinking your own semen will boost your testosterone and unlock your mind. I really wish I saved that post (I definitely did comment on it if you cared to spend a fucking hour trying to find it) to prove it was real, but you do see posts like them pop up. One dude posted his 'health guide' and it got to the front page and it had a ton of health advice and hidden inside it was straight up drinking your own urine and semen.
This drives the question to me of what the point of it is. Health is a spectrum, but the not-very-secret part is that staying on the "healthy" side of that spectrum is incredibly fucking easy. Eat right, don't overeat, go the fuck outside and sweat and get some sun. God damn that right there is going to keep you at a healthy weight and mind. But that gets you to like 90% 'healthy'.
Where it veers into crazy-land are the people who have, like, internalized the idea of 'goyslop' so hard that they are in endless pursuit of that "100% healthy" ideal, and are probably actually harming themselves in some way to achieve it, and for what? You probably won't actually feel any better. You're definitely going to die, and you probably aren't going to live much longer than you would've anyway, since longevity past 80 is nearly entirely genetics.
It doesn't take much to begin doing shit like colon cleanses from there.
That's why I used bodybuilding as an example. Bodybuilding is incredibly *unhealthy*. It looks healthy. You look like a fucking adonis. But guess what, there's a reason why hardcore bodybuilders are nearly all dead by 60. Even if they wanted to be 'natural', I've definitely got one firsthand story of a guy who got badly injured and couldn't work out, lost his physique while his back was healing, and then was so upset about the amount of work he lost, he started juicing to 'make up for it', and he turned into a swollen mutant. Look at people like Steve Jobs. He was in pursuit of the '100% healthy' and he functionally killed himself with his stupid diet, because he didn't fall for "jew science".
So, I think "90% healthy" is where happiness lies. You aren't pushing yourself so hard that you're incapable of enjoying life, and good food is part of that. You end up doing stupid gay shit like eating raw livers.
**EDIT:** Also, am I the only one who gets a weird creepy feeling that there's an unspoken obsession with cum and the testicles in some of this. Like some of these dudes who are... *really*... into 'boosting T' are also going shopping for special underwear to air out their balls so they can blow huge loads and that's their metric of 'manliness', which I alluded to with the comment earlier about jerking off into a rag.
I dunno, it's some kind of 'vibe' I get, especially with the overblown horror at the thought of a phytoestrogen being in their food.