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Does anyone else hate "Muh multiverse" and how every story nowadays incorporates it, even though "Muh infinite versions of everything" is obviously harmful to true, meaningful story telling?

posted 1 month ago by disusekid on scored.co (+0 / -0 / )

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Literally every writer in the present day wants to rip off Marvel goyslop by adding "Muh infinite timelines and universes" into their stories.

"It is popular so we will copy it."

From an objective standpoint, introducing "Muh infinite everything" is like introducing time travel into a plot:

It makes the story feel like worthless goyslop, and also insipid due to how much it gets copied now.

"There are infinite versions of everything, so we can revive and re-hash anything that happens! Here is a version of this character from a universe where he has pink hair, here is version of him from a universe where he is actually a girl, here is a version of him from a universe where he is a nigger!"

You cannot escape this insipid goyslop. Literally the only reason it seems to exist is so that they can sell more toys. Just print the same action figure but with the color palette changed so they can sell more toys with less effort to be unique.

Good stories end. Things like time travel and alternate/infinite realties ensure that the writers can just keep things going on forever because they can endlessly re-hash old plots, bring back dead characters, ect.

It hurts actual story telling. It removes the stakes if every character has infinite echoes and thus can be revived ad nauseum.

There was a time when time travel and "muh infinite everything" were unique ideas.

HG Wells "The time machine" and the HP Lovecraft story where everything is revealed to be an echo of a greater self, which means everything is a reflection of Yog-Sothoth.

But now all nuance is gone because it got copied too many times to be unique. Now it has lost all uniqueness.

Marvel has "muh infinite everything", but i stopped watching movies long ago so whatever. Dungeons and Dragons decided to put "muh infinite everything" in recently, and we all know how faggotized DND has become, sadly. Another big example would be that certain goyslop cartoon that I will not even mention by name due to how soy it is.

DR Who is another example of a goyslop show that added time travel and "Muh infinite timelines" for the sole purpose of dragging their shekel cow out for as many seasons as possible.

Animorphs may have been one of the earlier examples of a story incorporating both time travel and multiverses, just so they could stretch that book series out for as long as they could, but I actually like Animorphs. It felt more unique when they did it, and unlike the examples above, Animorphs eventually ended.

All good stories must end, after all.

Anyway, what do you guys think?

Is anyone else wary of the insipid goyslop story telling in the modern age?

It feels so.... copy paste, no?

disusekid on scored.co

1 month ago 7 points (+0 / -0 / ) 3 children

TLDR: Infinite versions of everything feels very... Lowest common denominator. The way bad story telling seeps into everything now feels very lowest common denominator.

Homestuck is another example of "muh infinite" slop.

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Theunpopular1 on scored.co

1 month ago 10 points (+0 / -0 / ) 1 child

"It's not a plot hole if it happens in a different universe."

That and "it was all in le head" are getting pretty fucking old.

1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / )

Agreed.

"It was all just le dying dream!"

BlippiIsAPedo on scored.co

1 month ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / )

The scientific logic behind it is hilarious if you ask me. Like its “we dont fucking know so there must be infinite universes we cant see”

brimshae on scored.co

1 month ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / ) 1 child

Lemme leave you with something to think over: Disney's ~~blatant fucking thievery~~ recreations of classic folk stories were the original multiverse.

Maskurbator on scored.co

1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )

Naw. Retellings are as old as time. MV is different because these two things can interact with one another and when something inconvenient happens from a storytelling (or financial) perspective you can walk it back by *voila another dimension with a character that looks just like the one that died and they sound the same and have the same name*

rebuildingMyself on scored.co

1 month ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / ) 2 children

It's fun as a one off plot in a serialized television show (think evil Spock in star trek), but it's definitely abused by lazy writers these days to do stupid shit like cameos of characters that were killed off two movies ago or get out of a corner they painted themselves into.

As for time travel shenanigans, it is also used as a shortcut to throw out established lore, like jar jar Abrams did with his Star Trek prequel movies. I didn't pay attention to previews (I hate how they spoil everything) so went in blind and was extremely let down that it's "muh alternate timeline". So I'm watching expensive fanfiction. Why bother watching the original shows or reading the novels to respect the lore of the fictional universe you inherited when you can just show alternative timelines and use the characters however you want (more grrlbossy attitudes, etc)?

bobbacringo on scored.co

1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / ) 1 child

The tv show "Enterprise" has one of them alternative universe episodes where instead of the Federation, we get the Terran Empire. The Vulcans get their shit shoved in. Humans conquer universe. It was so much better than the ordinary show.

That sounds bad ass. Disney actually tried to do something cool with the "what if" series. It's nice because it knows they aren't connected. But a thimble of water can't put out a fire.

Time travel is even gayer than MV because on top of the get out of jail free cars abuse it gets for painting oneself into a corners, it also introduces many additional plot holes. There is no tightly written time travel story because it's a paradox. There's other reasons but that alone suffices to why it is retarded.

Yeah there are good ways to handle time travel in stories but at the very least it needs to hold to its own established rules. When the writers can't even abide by their own rules is when it gets really obnoxious.

BTTF movies work hard to respect its own rules on time travel, minus a subtle paradox here and there. Other movies just do whatever they want with it, even contradicting itself later. Sometimes for humor like Futurama where Fry ends up fucking his own greatgrandmother and ending up being his own ancestor or something. Good for a laugh but falls apart when you put 1 second of brainpower around it lol

VolanteEternity on scored.co

As a comic book nerd, I can say with full confidence that the comic fans HATE it. Indie comic communities, by and large, reject it and won't implement it. It's lazy writing that requires zero effort to maintain continuity. It's slop.

ShekelJa on scored.co

1 month ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / )

IT IS FUCKING GAY.

back in my day, the most complex an IP was essentially came in the form of a trilogy.

Now everything has to have a sequel, prequel, remake, remaster, reimagining, reboot, and sequels and prequels to all that, as well as character-specific entries, and alternate dimension entries, only for the bullshit to repeat every 10 years.

If you need a goddamn spreadsheet to figure out how to watch a marvel movie, then you, as a developer, have lost the damn plot

BlackPillBot on scored.co

I’m happy to say I have absolutely no idea what a “multiverse” is. No, Im not trying to be edgy, and cool, I’ve legitimately never heard of it. I’m even surprised.

Explanation: It is the idea that existence is so large, that there are infinite "universes" where everything has an "echo" that is just slightly different.

Infinite versions of everything, and a common trope in stories with this would be an alternate universe where Natsocs won and the heroes go there to fight natsocs or whatever.

"Every possible scenario has happened in an alternate timeline! And there is a version of you out there that is a fat faggot!"

The truth is that less is sometimes more. Adding "Muh infinite everything" to a story makes the story feel like over bloated slop.

I see.

BeefyBelisarius on scored.co

Yeah, it's usually just lazy slop. About the only additional good example I can think of is Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion, which incarnates as very different people in vastly different worlds instead of this "only a slight difference" garbage we see in every modern multiverse.

Losferwords on scored.co

...yes. Yes I do.

PurestEvil on scored.co

Well, I do not watch anything that has that goyslop because it is bad.

On one hand if you have characters and plots that are interesting, it is not necessarily a bad idea to have alternate stories about them, so that you can map out multiple possibilities.

But to force it into a "multiverse" is indeed just a trash solution. Also completely irrational. If there are differences, it must have occurred billions of years ago, not yesterday on Earth. Thus that change in the past causes compounding differences into the future. It can be something like humanity is completely reconfigured, different people exist with a different set of genes, or humanity doesn't exist at all, or humanity existed a mere 1 millions years earlier, or Earth doesn't exist.

It is also true that it is best to keep things simple. To have a good story and not play around needlessly, diluting the relevance of the character. For example the movie Watchmen was good as it is - there is no need to rearrange the plot.

It's a cheap device for movies. But actually I do not mind having a divergence of events in a specific point in time, leading to a whole another plot. But that's not what they're doing. Instead it's BATMAN classic, BATMAN but old, BATMAN but extra lame, etc.

I agree that it can be done correctly but the way it is usually handled is just lowest common denominator laziness so they can put less effort into writing and sell more toys of a popular character from an alternate universe where everyone has dirty teeth.

I am glad to see that people here also have a distaste for the modern bad story telling.

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zk3hf9dB on scored.co

So here's what happened.

A long time ago, people identified that there is only one story that resonates with White people. This story is basically the story of Jesus Christ. It goes something like this: A young man is the "chosen one" not because he wanted to be. Even if he tried to flee his destiny, it pursues him. He behaves like a normal boy but somehow accomplishes superhuman feats. In the end, he sacrifices his life so that others may live out of pure selfless love. Through his sacrifice, his people are saved and they build memorials to him and change their lives to remember him. And ultimately they overcome the ultimate evil and build a utopic society where everyone cares for each other and they don't mindlessly pursue pointless things like material goods.

Anyway, this story has been done to death, and when you try to play it out multiple times, there's only so many ways you can save the universe. Hence, you need more universes to save.

More importantly, the jews are trying to remove the Christian story from everything so they need to "reboot" everything and try to make things more post-modern, where no one is good, nothing is good, nothing is beautiful, nothing is ugly or evil, everything is just "meh". There are no heroes, there's no reason to worship anyone and there's no reason to change your life or anything. Just consume the goyslop and accept your eternal damnation as inevitable.

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ImBillCurtis on scored.co

1 month ago -1 points (+0 / -0 / ) 1 child

Read Genesis and tell me where it talks about a “universe”

1 month ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child

I would imagine no-were does it talk about a "universe".

Story writers back then, when thinking of the beyond, only had a blue expanse, a black expanse, and bright orbs of varying sizes to see.

No universe, no multiverse.

Only Sun, moon, stars, void, and maybe planets.

1 month ago -1 points (+0 / -0 / )

There was none of that. Only God parting the waters and creating a firmament. That’s why you’ve never seen a front facing dash cam with uninterrupted live-streaming as they leave “orbit”