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I haven't reviewed what papal teaching is on this issue but the other side's view seems to be contrary to basic logic
Jews can be "friends" in that Jesus says to love and pray for even your enemies; that can imply good treatment to some extent
However the Jews are clearly "enemies" of Christians in that, by rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, they would consider Christ to be a "false teacher" and founder of a "false religion". So... one would assume that "Jews" of this belief would themselves not consider Christians "friends" but as enemies of their faith (!). Such Jews go out of their way to attack Christians directly and indirectly. Why would a Christian want to be friends with someone who might be directly attacking Christians?
in Titus 3:10 St. Paul says to avoid heretics after they have been warned of their errors and they remain obstinate in them. I'd imagine this attitude would apply to other false religious views like those of Jews who reject Christ.
Putting this all together, Jews who reject Christ would be seemingly avoided a bit like heretics are to be avoided. This kind of attitude is what inspired past Catholics to separate from Jews and/or put restrictions on their activities. However out of charity and a love for one's neighbor, Christians might do good for such Jews and exhibit a spirit of friendliness towards them.
I suppose the wisdom is in knowing how to "love one's enemies"; the other side here is denying they are enemies, perhaps.
Yeah, you should watch my videos. I basically go over Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium. If you want to do your own research, I would recommend you peruse my website, as I am compiling what all the Saints and Popes have taught about the Jews:
BTW, you instincts here are correct. I am just saying that I am providing a way for you to learn what the Church Fathers, Doctors, other Saints, and Magisterium officially teaches on this subject, if you would just allow me to educate you via my content and my vast collection of official resources. Hopefully, it helps. God bless!
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I'll probably peruse your stuff, was just adding my thought process on trying to reach similar conclusions in a different way
Like I see people sometimes complain for example that the Church Fathers were "biased men who selected arbitrarily which books got put in the canon of the Bible".
Yet I have noticed that books that didn't make the cut have content in them that contradicts content in the other books (for example, might espouse Gnostic views).
Alternatively I have seen recently that protestant Bibles literally seem to omit books of Maccabees simply because a passage suggests the Catholic teaching on purgatory is true (!).
So... actually some of these teachings by authorities coincide with logical explanations (in this example, that such books were omitted from the Bible by Church Fathers because of contradictions of Catholic belief; in the example with Jews, that popes may have spoken as they did since basic reasoning suggests how friendship with Jews might be "theologically problematic")
So I haven't responded to most of your comments before, but I have read them. And I noticed a pattern, and I want to say something to help you.
Whenever you comment on my video posts, you usually start with something like "I didn't watch your video and haven't done the research myself, but here are my thoughts..." And then you give your thoughts.
Here's the good thing: Your thoughts are generally correct!
Here's the bad thing: You undermine your own credibility, so many people will probably dismiss your comments.
There's an old saying: Opinions are like buttholes: Everyone has them, and they all stink!
Now, in your case, your opinion is actually correct.
But when you clarify that you haven't researched things or didn't watch my videos...
(And let me make a point on the latter really quick: It's your prerogative not to watch my videos. That being said, if you've never seen my videos, I am not a talking head, that just faces the screen and gives my "hot take". No. Instead, what I do in my videos is put the sources on screen, like Scripture, Church Father/Doctor writings, Magisterium, etc. and read it with the viewer, as I prove, beyond all reasonable doubt, what the Church teaches. Thus, nobody can walk away from my videos doubting my credibility, and this is what I am trying to help you with here).
When you act as if you haven't looked into something deeply yourself, you undermine your own credibility, and that makes people likely to dismiss your comments because, even though they are very logical, they don't have the facts needed to back up your sound and valid logic.
So this is why I am encouraging you to watch my videos, not just as shameless self-promotion, but to show you how I demonstrate credibility in what I teach.
Likewise, since I have sourced, and continue to source, so many authoritative writings from Scripture, Saints, and the Popes, regarding the Jewish question on my website (and yes, I always include citations to demonstrate credibility) you are free to use my resources to use at any time to have a foundation of credibility in your posts and comments.
Again, your comments are great in that they are often correct and use sound logic. I just think you often undermine your own credibility, and I hate to see that. If you added credible quotes and sources to prove your credibility, I think you would be a very good educator when it comes to the Catholic understanding of the JQ.
Hopefully, this helps. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and God bless!
but usually I'm just trying to be honest on if I watched the vid or not and about commenting on the title (as you say, a lot of comments I put in may be correct, but if they're not, I've noted in advance possibly why)
and also almost no one is commenting anyway so my comment usually adds something
(one side note is that the site's video embeds are broken so I cannot actually watch the vid here!)
regarding the title though, again without watching, the main problem we have to deal with with the modernists is probably the contention that "theology evolves":
> "yeah Innocent III said that, but the Church accepted slavery at one point, and doesn't anymore. Recent 'popes' have been friendly towards Jews, ergo now Jews are our friends. Only schismatic excommunicated traditionalists lacking credibility would say otherwise! What are you, some kind of sedevacantist?!"?
I just said what I did because your comments are really good, except that you tend to undermine your credibility sometimes. That being said, your commenting is your business. It just seems like you could offer a lot more if you brought research, facts, and citations to the table, since you are usually spot on. Hopefully, you take my advice in understanding that I am delivering it with love and the understanding that I see potential in you. God bless!
Jews can be "friends" in that Jesus says to love and pray for even your enemies; that can imply good treatment to some extent
However the Jews are clearly "enemies" of Christians in that, by rejecting Jesus as the Messiah, they would consider Christ to be a "false teacher" and founder of a "false religion". So... one would assume that "Jews" of this belief would themselves not consider Christians "friends" but as enemies of their faith (!). Such Jews go out of their way to attack Christians directly and indirectly. Why would a Christian want to be friends with someone who might be directly attacking Christians?
in Titus 3:10 St. Paul says to avoid heretics after they have been warned of their errors and they remain obstinate in them. I'd imagine this attitude would apply to other false religious views like those of Jews who reject Christ.
Putting this all together, Jews who reject Christ would be seemingly avoided a bit like heretics are to be avoided. This kind of attitude is what inspired past Catholics to separate from Jews and/or put restrictions on their activities. However out of charity and a love for one's neighbor, Christians might do good for such Jews and exhibit a spirit of friendliness towards them.
I suppose the wisdom is in knowing how to "love one's enemies"; the other side here is denying they are enemies, perhaps.
https://christtheking.info/catholic-resources-on-the-jewish-question/
Like I see people sometimes complain for example that the Church Fathers were "biased men who selected arbitrarily which books got put in the canon of the Bible".
Yet I have noticed that books that didn't make the cut have content in them that contradicts content in the other books (for example, might espouse Gnostic views).
Alternatively I have seen recently that protestant Bibles literally seem to omit books of Maccabees simply because a passage suggests the Catholic teaching on purgatory is true (!).
So... actually some of these teachings by authorities coincide with logical explanations (in this example, that such books were omitted from the Bible by Church Fathers because of contradictions of Catholic belief; in the example with Jews, that popes may have spoken as they did since basic reasoning suggests how friendship with Jews might be "theologically problematic")
Whenever you comment on my video posts, you usually start with something like "I didn't watch your video and haven't done the research myself, but here are my thoughts..." And then you give your thoughts.
Here's the good thing: Your thoughts are generally correct!
Here's the bad thing: You undermine your own credibility, so many people will probably dismiss your comments.
There's an old saying: Opinions are like buttholes: Everyone has them, and they all stink!
Now, in your case, your opinion is actually correct.
But when you clarify that you haven't researched things or didn't watch my videos...
(And let me make a point on the latter really quick: It's your prerogative not to watch my videos. That being said, if you've never seen my videos, I am not a talking head, that just faces the screen and gives my "hot take". No. Instead, what I do in my videos is put the sources on screen, like Scripture, Church Father/Doctor writings, Magisterium, etc. and read it with the viewer, as I prove, beyond all reasonable doubt, what the Church teaches. Thus, nobody can walk away from my videos doubting my credibility, and this is what I am trying to help you with here).
When you act as if you haven't looked into something deeply yourself, you undermine your own credibility, and that makes people likely to dismiss your comments because, even though they are very logical, they don't have the facts needed to back up your sound and valid logic.
So this is why I am encouraging you to watch my videos, not just as shameless self-promotion, but to show you how I demonstrate credibility in what I teach.
Likewise, since I have sourced, and continue to source, so many authoritative writings from Scripture, Saints, and the Popes, regarding the Jewish question on my website (and yes, I always include citations to demonstrate credibility) you are free to use my resources to use at any time to have a foundation of credibility in your posts and comments.
Again, your comments are great in that they are often correct and use sound logic. I just think you often undermine your own credibility, and I hate to see that. If you added credible quotes and sources to prove your credibility, I think you would be a very good educator when it comes to the Catholic understanding of the JQ.
Hopefully, this helps. Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and God bless!
but usually I'm just trying to be honest on if I watched the vid or not and about commenting on the title (as you say, a lot of comments I put in may be correct, but if they're not, I've noted in advance possibly why)
and also almost no one is commenting anyway so my comment usually adds something
(one side note is that the site's video embeds are broken so I cannot actually watch the vid here!)
regarding the title though, again without watching, the main problem we have to deal with with the modernists is probably the contention that "theology evolves":
> "yeah Innocent III said that, but the Church accepted slavery at one point, and doesn't anymore. Recent 'popes' have been friendly towards Jews, ergo now Jews are our friends. Only schismatic excommunicated traditionalists lacking credibility would say otherwise! What are you, some kind of sedevacantist?!"?