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PointyStick2 on scored.co
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Laymen ripping quotes out of context and posting them on the internet with a picture? Yeah I totally miss that ancient Church practice. Bellarmine said other stuff about that question as well, it's simply an undecided question of "what to do with a heretical pope".
The problem is that people on the Internet have zero authority and also [there are other positions as well](https://dominicansavrille.us/on-the-deposition-of-the-pope-part-2-of-2/). Go to Rome, tell the pope he's not pope because of a quote from 400 years ago, see how many people will take you seriously. Now, there can certainly be *doubt* about whether someone like that is pope, yeah. But Sedes just have to absolutize everything and it's so annoying.
The one problem I have with Sedevacantists is that their #1 problem in life is whether the pope is pope or not. They make that into their whole *identity* and spend hundreds, if not thousands of hours researching that one single question and try to "prove" that they are right. Complete waste of time. Meanwhile they commit sometimes extremely uncharitable acts and *that* will damn them (not the sedevacantism).
The question of whether the pope is the pope is, for now, completely secondary. I get that Sedes want a "strong leader pope", but really, just look at the world. How many "Catholics" are actually Catholic and how many just go through the motions? How many people fall into sin because they don't study their catechism to find out what sin actually is? How many people are infected by modernism, feminism and liberalism (Novus Ordo, neo-SSPX, even some sedevacantists are, to some extent). How many practice "natural" family planning and deny God the existence of a ton of white children (even some sede bishops defend NFP because "Pius XII allowed it, therefore it's okay")? So, those are the actual problems, the pope question is more of an academic exercise. It's quite clear that God wants people to stop "just pray and obey".
I know Sedes are good people at heart, but they just want to "solve" the pope problem and convert everyone to Sedevacantism, before even fixing the problems in their own lives and the lives of their friends. And that just makes them so incredibly annoying, they just come off as incredibly self-righteous.
The problem is that people on the Internet have zero authority and also [there are other positions as well](https://dominicansavrille.us/on-the-deposition-of-the-pope-part-2-of-2/). Go to Rome, tell the pope he's not pope because of a quote from 400 years ago, see how many people will take you seriously. Now, there can certainly be *doubt* about whether someone like that is pope, yeah. But Sedes just have to absolutize everything and it's so annoying.
The one problem I have with Sedevacantists is that their #1 problem in life is whether the pope is pope or not. They make that into their whole *identity* and spend hundreds, if not thousands of hours researching that one single question and try to "prove" that they are right. Complete waste of time. Meanwhile they commit sometimes extremely uncharitable acts and *that* will damn them (not the sedevacantism).
The question of whether the pope is the pope is, for now, completely secondary. I get that Sedes want a "strong leader pope", but really, just look at the world. How many "Catholics" are actually Catholic and how many just go through the motions? How many people fall into sin because they don't study their catechism to find out what sin actually is? How many people are infected by modernism, feminism and liberalism (Novus Ordo, neo-SSPX, even some sedevacantists are, to some extent). How many practice "natural" family planning and deny God the existence of a ton of white children (even some sede bishops defend NFP because "Pius XII allowed it, therefore it's okay")? So, those are the actual problems, the pope question is more of an academic exercise. It's quite clear that God wants people to stop "just pray and obey".
I know Sedes are good people at heart, but they just want to "solve" the pope problem and convert everyone to Sedevacantism, before even fixing the problems in their own lives and the lives of their friends. And that just makes them so incredibly annoying, they just come off as incredibly self-righteous.