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8 days ago23 points(+0/-0/+23Score on mirror)3 children
Nickelback isn't bad. I always thought the hatred of it was because of the saturation of bands in the early 2000s that sound, well, exactly the same. Nickelback, godsmack, creed, puddle of Mudd, stained, etc
Nickelback started later than most of these and got popular later too. So I thought shitting on nickelback was shitting on a relic of post grunge in general
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Consider also that at the height of their popularity, they were extremely overplayed. You could basically not go a single day without hearing them at least once on the radio, the TV, or at the grocery store. For YEARS.
A lot of people hated Metallica for the same reason.
8 days ago9 points(+0/-0/+9Score on mirror)2 children
Likewise. I thought the hate was for them being "late to the game," but they absolutely have some bangers like "How You Remind Me" and "Hero" with relatable, catchy lyrics. This was also the same time that MTV started playing more Rap than Rock. By 2007, they had cancelled *Headbangers Ball* and started playing it much later at night, sometimes at midnight or later. If you were into music at the time, you could really feel that White music was being pushed out of the mainstream.
8 days ago5 points(+0/-0/+5Score on mirror)3 children
True. Though, in all fairness, post grunge didn't exactly go out with a bang. It was never great, a lot of it fully fucking sucked, and its parent genre (grunge) was leagues ahead in terms of skill, talent, and creativity.
If our last stand musically were something more memorable and less same-y than post grunge, we might still have mainstream genres today. I guess nu-metal counts though, it *was* a lot less same-y than post grunge at least. Nickelback cut themselves short to be honest, Chad Kroeger is way better as a metal vocalist
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7 days ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)2 children
That's very true. And emo/screamo. There was also a lot of overlap between a lot of these genres at that time, a lot of shitty bands but also a lot of really great stuff. If you filter out the shit it was really a golden age of rock music. Probably the last.
7 days ago2 points(+0/-0/+2Score on mirror)1 child
>its parent genre (grunge) was leagues ahead in terms of skill, talent, and creativity
While this is true, it's still a low fucking bar. Pearl Jam (and maybe Alice in Chains?) was an exception of that genre; Nirvana was more the rule. In my ever-expanding search for unbelievable talent (after I gave up on post grunge ever moving in the right direction), I eventually found myself in the post hardcore/metalcore/progressive/indie rock genres. Which, "unbelievable" is right - apart from Anthony Green and Saosin (and Circa Survive), most of those singers are so overproduced in the studio and disappointing on stage. Still, lots of good guitar and stupid good drum work.
Layne Staley was extremely talented, he's at the top tier of the grunge genre imo. Definitely a metal singer though, AiC (especially their last album with staley) touches on sludge and doom metal rather than the pop-punk of nirvana or the hard rock of pearl jam. I love pearl jam too, but Eddie Vedder mumbles worse than a nigger on soundcloud.
Even nirvana was a hardcore band from the start with bleach, and in utero has a couple of hardcore songs on it too, but that band is forever tainted by nevermind. Not a bad record, in all honesty, but extremely pop-adjacent. The formulaic songwriting on nevermind and the lead singles from in utero would fuck up rock forever, but nirvana themselves were more versatile than that.
On the topic, nu metal actually had a surprising amount of talent and innovation. I know it's the ugly stepchild of metal, but its really just because Fred durst acted like a douchebag in the 2000s. And the woodstock 99 disaster. If those 2 things didnt happen, it would be viewed more fondly. None of the bands sounded alike either. If you didn't like limp bizkit, you could listen to korn. If you didn't like system of a down, you could listen to deftones, etc. Lots going on with the genre. Some bands got extremely experimental, like static x. Some bands were bordering on extreme metal like early slipknot or ill niño. Everyone was experimenting to some degree, and it wasn't very formulaic or corporate at all (apart from the bands bordering on post grunge like papa roach or skindred)
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
I mean in terms of popular opinion and lasting impact, not necessarily actively being played. People still adore grunge, which is older than post grunge and which apart from a couple of nirvana songs isn't played that much anymore
>Yeah, you can STFU right there, buddy.
Nu-metal solos post grunge no diff in the battle of the last popular white people genres. Post grunge was always extremely formulaic, safe, advertiser friendly, and quite frankly very often simply boring to listen to. Chad Kroeger is very talented in any case, more than his band's most popular work would show. His metallica covers and even nickelback's later work (and their earlier work before they went mainstream) kicks ass. He's a natural metal vocalist though, him imitating Kurt Cobain's style of singing from songs like heart shaped box doesn't help him none because that isn't his voice.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Your assessment may not be right for everyone, but it's sure as hell right for me. That genre of rock is basic as fuck, but in fairness to the haters, Nickelback didn't evolve really at all (and again, really no one you mentioned did either - all the songs sound the same). But then I also throw Maroon 5 in the Train/Uncle Cracker/Coldplay etc. bucket of poprock ear poison.
Nickelback started later than most of these and got popular later too. So I thought shitting on nickelback was shitting on a relic of post grunge in general
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
A lot of people hated Metallica for the same reason.
If our last stand musically were something more memorable and less same-y than post grunge, we might still have mainstream genres today. I guess nu-metal counts though, it *was* a lot less same-y than post grunge at least. Nickelback cut themselves short to be honest, Chad Kroeger is way better as a metal vocalist
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
While this is true, it's still a low fucking bar. Pearl Jam (and maybe Alice in Chains?) was an exception of that genre; Nirvana was more the rule. In my ever-expanding search for unbelievable talent (after I gave up on post grunge ever moving in the right direction), I eventually found myself in the post hardcore/metalcore/progressive/indie rock genres. Which, "unbelievable" is right - apart from Anthony Green and Saosin (and Circa Survive), most of those singers are so overproduced in the studio and disappointing on stage. Still, lots of good guitar and stupid good drum work.
Even nirvana was a hardcore band from the start with bleach, and in utero has a couple of hardcore songs on it too, but that band is forever tainted by nevermind. Not a bad record, in all honesty, but extremely pop-adjacent. The formulaic songwriting on nevermind and the lead singles from in utero would fuck up rock forever, but nirvana themselves were more versatile than that.
On the topic, nu metal actually had a surprising amount of talent and innovation. I know it's the ugly stepchild of metal, but its really just because Fred durst acted like a douchebag in the 2000s. And the woodstock 99 disaster. If those 2 things didnt happen, it would be viewed more fondly. None of the bands sounded alike either. If you didn't like limp bizkit, you could listen to korn. If you didn't like system of a down, you could listen to deftones, etc. Lots going on with the genre. Some bands got extremely experimental, like static x. Some bands were bordering on extreme metal like early slipknot or ill niño. Everyone was experimenting to some degree, and it wasn't very formulaic or corporate at all (apart from the bands bordering on post grunge like papa roach or skindred)
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
It wouldn't matter. Remember that these jews control all the distribution. There was no music steaming in the 90s.
> It was never great ...
Yeah, you can STFU right there, buddy.
I mean in terms of popular opinion and lasting impact, not necessarily actively being played. People still adore grunge, which is older than post grunge and which apart from a couple of nirvana songs isn't played that much anymore
>Yeah, you can STFU right there, buddy.
Nu-metal solos post grunge no diff in the battle of the last popular white people genres. Post grunge was always extremely formulaic, safe, advertiser friendly, and quite frankly very often simply boring to listen to. Chad Kroeger is very talented in any case, more than his band's most popular work would show. His metallica covers and even nickelback's later work (and their earlier work before they went mainstream) kicks ass. He's a natural metal vocalist though, him imitating Kurt Cobain's style of singing from songs like heart shaped box doesn't help him none because that isn't his voice.
Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
>relatable, catchy lyrics.
"YeAhhhh,
YeAhhhh,
YeAhhhh,
Nono"
You do you, bud.