15 days ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
Can confirm. Stuff is nasty, the side effects won't creep up until months later, and by then withdrawals are horrible. This coming from someone who views drug use as a libertarian, so go for it if you want, but I won't ever touch it again
15 days ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)2 children
It's not really kratom. It's first generation kratom metabolite called "7-OH". They learn to chemically "digest" kratom in a test-tube and get a purified opiate-mu receptor binding chemical 17x more potent than morphine.
And because it's a mu agonist, it's got addictive qualities.
It's legal smack. And it's unregulated. I've seen it destroy people.
They know exactly what they're doing to people too, with brand names like "Perks" and "Press'd Blues." There's even one I've seen somewhere before that actually comes in a little pill bottle, foil seal at the top, cotton ball inside, the whole thing, and then the pills themselves look exactly like the 30mg "M-Box" oxycodone pills that probably 90% of fentanyl presses on the market are made to look like. It's some sickening shit, truly.
I'd be less against it if it was prescribed to people who are trying to quit opioids, sorta like how suboxone or methadone is, because it's less addictive than those and you can't OD on it, but any dumb stoner kid can walk into a smoke shop and ruin his fucking life with these.
14 days ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
It's a hobby in and of itself. I got strung out on the shit that K2/Spice became, and had horrible withdrawals from *that*, so I'm wondering if this shit was somehow mixed in.
I wouldn't put it past the kikes that make it.
So, though I still enjoy an occasional toke and keep up with the smoke-shop stuff, I do my research first before simply trying anything new that pops up.
I guess I have some research to do I had no idea it was being used that way. Still sucks, because I know a couple of people who use it for pain management and live relatively normal happy and healthy lives. The good will always suffer for the bad.
I mean hey, if they're able to do that and it works well for them and isn't fucking their lives up, I'm happy for them. For people taking it for pain, or even recovering from addiction, it can be a godsend. For retards looking for legal highs at the head shop, it pretty quickly becomes a fucking nightmare, and then they're the reason the first person unfortunately gets fucked.
And because it's a mu agonist, it's got addictive qualities.
It's legal smack. And it's unregulated. I've seen it destroy people.
I'd be less against it if it was prescribed to people who are trying to quit opioids, sorta like how suboxone or methadone is, because it's less addictive than those and you can't OD on it, but any dumb stoner kid can walk into a smoke shop and ruin his fucking life with these.
I wouldn't put it past the kikes that make it.
So, though I still enjoy an occasional toke and keep up with the smoke-shop stuff, I do my research first before simply trying anything new that pops up.