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posted 10 hours ago by SNES_X on scored.co (+0 / -0 / +17Score on mirror )
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devotech2 on scored.co
9 hours ago 3 points (+0 / -0 / +3Score on mirror ) 1 child
Socialism is way, way older than this wopkike. Socialism is older than marx even.

Socialism was born as the younger sister of capitalism whenever mercantilism was lying on its death bed circa around the French and/or american revolution

But, just like how the often-violent transition from feudal control of economic affairs by an aristocracy to bourgeoisie control of the economy was, in fact, very much inevitable, some form of socialism (I will include corporatism here as well) was also inevitable.

Why? Because raw capitalism is untenable. Europe and America almost ripped themselves apart in the mid-late industrial age before implementing socialistic or corporatistic policies. The souths rejection of northern capitalism led to the civil war (granted, the souths rejection was reactionary, but it didnt stay that way during reconstruction), the ineffectiveness of grand promises by bourgeoisie revolutionaries from or inspired by the French revolution led to the 1848 revolutions.

Socialism is simply a reality. It's an inevitable transfer of economic power from the bourgeoisie to the state. The extent of this transfer varies significantly, but it has happened everywhere because it simply had to happen, either because the state realized they had to do it or because people forced it to happen.

Furthermore, I consider that Israel must be destroyed
USSDefiantJazz on scored.co
5 hours ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
This. When capitalism gets corrupted, socialism rises. It's happened time and time again.
devotech2 on scored.co
3 hours ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Feudalism/mercantilism became bloated and corrupted in every situation. It was unable to handle industry, always. Thus, you had events like the French revolution, or the English Civil War, or, much later, the xinhai revolt. Jews did not even need to be particularly involved for this to happen. No jews were behind the English Civil War, very few were active in the French revolution (robespierre was a bona-fide frenchman), none were involved in xinhai. It's simply a fact that if the current order is unable to keep with the times, it will be disposed of by force. You can keep the monarch. Provided they don't have head-in-ass syndrome. Indeed, you can have a situation like the meiji restoration where the monarch *was* the one to kill off the aristocracy, but feudalism as a system cannot function in an industrial society. It has never once been able to, there is not a single exception.

So too, it is also true, that capitalism was slated to become inherently bloated and corrupt like the system it replaced whenever industry advanced to a point where the bourgeoisie would be, and still is, absolutely untouchable, unbeholden to any responsibilities, and hostile towards their consumers. Just like, again, the exact same people their spiritual predecessors fought against in the French revolution, et al.

Marx was correct about the evolution of systems and how economic power transferred through history. The proof that he was correct can be seen by simply observing history. His solution, however, is poison. But there are alternatives to his ideas and capitalism. Even leninist style socialism can be applied decently if the nebulous international aspect is removed, though I wouldn't recommend it. Corporatism exists, so there's a start
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