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oh ok the shiloh incident happened in rochester, that makes more sense, I always remember hearing they were the "murder capital of NY" and people I've met from there have seemed to have a little more edge to them at times or have their own flavor to them

> Rochester has long held the reputation of being the "murder capital" of New York State, a distinction it has maintained for decades despite fluctuations in its homicide rate. This label stems from its consistently high per capita murder rate, which has frequently been the highest in the state.