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The entirety of both the existence of Muhammad and the Quran are fraudulent. There likely was a man like Muhammad who was the focal point of a religiously fanatical army he motivated, but everything said about him was written decades after he died. The Arabic scriptures themselves have and provenance that is more suspect than either the Aramaic or Greek scriptures and were filtered through only a few people who did selective editing when they compiled them.
My source for this is Robert Spencer, who has written extensively on these subjects.
My source for this is Robert Spencer, who has written extensively on these subjects.
I understand there were several Korans at one point, and shortly after Mohammed's death, a high-ranking Muslim leader ordered all but 1 of them destroyed. There's no "higher criticism" of the Koran like there is of the Bible. But that may not mean much. I don't think higher criticism of the Bible has done anything but let leftists pat themselves on the back at their own cleverness.
When it comes to Islam, everything, literally EVERYTHING, we know about Mohammed comes hundreds and hundreds of years after he lived, and even then, the information does not correspond at all with archaeological or historical evidence. There is so little evidence of Mohammed that he probably didn't even exist.
When it comes to the Koran, someone pointed out how Arabic and Aramaic use the same script, and the languages are quite similar, and if you read certain passages as if it were originally Aramaic the Koran becomes a Christian prayer book. It is quite possible that the Arabs tried to read a Christian prayer book and got a lot of it wrong.
When it comes to the Koran, someone pointed out how Arabic and Aramaic use the same script, and the languages are quite similar, and if you read certain passages as if it were originally Aramaic the Koran becomes a Christian prayer book. It is quite possible that the Arabs tried to read a Christian prayer book and got a lot of it wrong.
>When it comes to Islam, everything, literally EVERYTHING, we know about Mohammed comes hundreds and hundreds of years after he lived, and even then, the information does not correspond at all with archaeological or historical evidence. There is so little evidence of Mohammed that he probably didn't even exist.
100% correct. Nothing about him or what he allegedly said was ever written during his lifetime, which in itself makes one question whether he existed.
100% correct. Nothing about him or what he allegedly said was ever written during his lifetime, which in itself makes one question whether he existed.
>It is quite possible that the Arabs tried to read a Christian prayer book and got a lot of it wrong.
That's what the Church has basically taught about Mohammadanism since Mohammadanism was born, some guy was wooed buy Arian Heretics, realized they were wrong about everything, and then created his own heresy but even stupider.
That's what the Church has basically taught about Mohammadanism since Mohammadanism was born, some guy was wooed buy Arian Heretics, realized they were wrong about everything, and then created his own heresy but even stupider.
the quran is a bad copy and blend or Christianity and judaism, both of which were present int the area mohammed lived in
i wish people stopped being so lazy and read the quran and at least part of the hadiths. islam is such a farce it's not even funny
i wish people stopped being so lazy and read the quran and at least part of the hadiths. islam is such a farce it's not even funny
I believe one of the Shahs aggressively destroyed all the versions of the Quaran that he didnt personally like as well. There wasnt a council or anything like the Church Fathers condemning the Gnostic "Scriptures" and actually providing reasons why they were fake and gay, this guy just started destroying Quarans that didnt line up with his view of Mohammadenism.
Actually its always the jews.
It was a well known occurrence back then and there was a name for the encounter with these unholy spirits. So of course they knew people would forget all this so they amplified the story and created this desert cult and so on etc. I remember being confused in world religions class on the difference between Islam and Judaism. I asked the teacher on the side and he said "theyre in the same chapter because theyre the same thing"
It was a well known occurrence back then and there was a name for the encounter with these unholy spirits. So of course they knew people would forget all this so they amplified the story and created this desert cult and so on etc. I remember being confused in world religions class on the difference between Islam and Judaism. I asked the teacher on the side and he said "theyre in the same chapter because theyre the same thing"
>Have Muslims really never questioned this shit for 1400 years or are they just afraid of the implications?
Well it's a nigger religion, so I'm going with the former.
Well it's a nigger religion, so I'm going with the former.
Muhammad attempted to sell his religion to rabbi leaders, but they recognized how much of the qur'an is a poorly plagiarized version of the jwish Troah and laughed at him.
Muhammad got big mad about being laughed at by the rabbis that he wrote additions to the qur'an claiming jews must be killed and the earlier passages about living in peace are superseded by the new contradicting additions.
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There's also a story in the qur'an about one of Muhammad's wives confronting him about sneaking out at night and cheating on her in violating of Muhammad's own laws...
... then suddenly "god" gives Muhammad a vision message about how he's the only exception to the rule and his wife should STFU and make him a sandwich.
Yes, that story is literally in the qur'an, I shit you not.
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One positive thing about islam is they do worship Jesus as a prophet who will return during the End Times to bring about world peace before the End of Days.
Moslems refer to Jesus as Isa.
Muhammad got big mad about being laughed at by the rabbis that he wrote additions to the qur'an claiming jews must be killed and the earlier passages about living in peace are superseded by the new contradicting additions.
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There's also a story in the qur'an about one of Muhammad's wives confronting him about sneaking out at night and cheating on her in violating of Muhammad's own laws...
... then suddenly "god" gives Muhammad a vision message about how he's the only exception to the rule and his wife should STFU and make him a sandwich.
Yes, that story is literally in the qur'an, I shit you not.
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One positive thing about islam is they do worship Jesus as a prophet who will return during the End Times to bring about world peace before the End of Days.
Moslems refer to Jesus as Isa.
They don’t see him as the son of God though so to hell with them, literally
Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ATh-qeX0a08
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ATh-qeX0a08
Not true. Outside the Church there is no salvation. The gates of hell have prevailed over your 501(c)(3).
What was the term for the dudes who pounded his sandhole? That should have been included
I don't know if any of what this Chabad rabbi says is true, but he claims Christianity and Islam were fictional creations of jews: https://old.bitchute.com/video/ks068lptVCl1/
Psyop upon psyop...
Psyop upon psyop...
this is how all extremism works... like parents who trans their own kids.
they've invested so heavily into the extremism, gone so far out there, destroyed so much, that even questioning it is mentally and emotionally devastating. the average person is not capable of introspection. but of those who are smart enough to do so, going back, admitting they're wrong, would mean owning up to the fact that a fundamental part of their identity was so devastatingly wrong that they've destroyed so much because of it.
they've invested so heavily into the extremism, gone so far out there, destroyed so much, that even questioning it is mentally and emotionally devastating. the average person is not capable of introspection. but of those who are smart enough to do so, going back, admitting they're wrong, would mean owning up to the fact that a fundamental part of their identity was so devastatingly wrong that they've destroyed so much because of it.
you're asking why 70iq sand monkeys never questioned the religion that allows and actually encourages them to rape and pillage everything?
https://youtu.be/bbbZkkF8U1k
Both are retards. Muslim cuck for being Muslim (retarded by default).
Christian cuck says “Christian nations … are smart enough to defend themselves from people groups who want to wipe them out.”
lol, what? Since when? Is that really how these retards view the (((current situation)))??
Absolutely clueless.
Christian cuck says “Christian nations … are smart enough to defend themselves from people groups who want to wipe them out.”
lol, what? Since when? Is that really how these retards view the (((current situation)))??
Absolutely clueless.
There is only one God and you won't find him in the followers talking shit about Jesus Christ.
Also, any dipshits going against Jesus know he is the way, that's why they hate him so much.
Bring up satan, Muhammad, budda or Shiva to leftist dipshits they won't react, say Jesus Christ and the demons come right out.
This is all the proof you need of God.
Also, any dipshits going against Jesus know he is the way, that's why they hate him so much.
Bring up satan, Muhammad, budda or Shiva to leftist dipshits they won't react, say Jesus Christ and the demons come right out.
This is all the proof you need of God.
Counterpoint, they were raised in mostly Christian countries, which they're reacting against. Other religions don't phase them because they don't hit as close to home in the psyche of the American/European liberal.
Even lefties in countries that were never historically Christian like China and the middle east seem to have a visceral reaction to Christianity and if anything are even more violent against Christians.
China's got very little freedom of religion to begin with + Christianity is a western religion, so it's even less likely to be accepted by the current ruling powers in China, who are wary of western influence.
The Middle East is comprised of mostly Saracens, so you can see why *they* would be hostile towards Christianity.
The Middle East is comprised of mostly Saracens, so you can see why *they* would be hostile towards Christianity.
more importantly if "we" are smarter, and aspire to be holier:
why are we not outsmarting them
why are we not coordinating with God successfully for their conversion
(with the latter question, that's sometimes really a mystery, I'm sure lots of people are praying for God to tend to the muslims)
why are we not outsmarting them
why are we not coordinating with God successfully for their conversion
(with the latter question, that's sometimes really a mystery, I'm sure lots of people are praying for God to tend to the muslims)
Not questioning things and just blindly following is a core trait of all of the Desert Trilogy religions.
People like to say Joseph Smith was the American version of Mohammed. Let's see how that compares.
> claims to be the final prophet of God
JS claimed no such thing. He prophesied of future prophets yet to come, and he pointed to the Bible to support his prophecies. In fact, like Moses, he encouraged everyone to prophesy, and delegated his authority as much as possible.
> No other prophet foretold his coming
It depends on how you interpret it, but some people point to specific verses in the Bible and then generic concepts like the Gathering of Israel in the last days that is a recurring theme in the Bible. God doesn't do anything without calling a prophet, so someone had to be called to execute the work to be done.
Being foretold isn't really a condition to be a prophet, though. Who foretold of Abraham's coming?
> Performs zero (0) miracles
The number of miracles that JS performed are insane. https://josephsmithfoundation.org/joseph-smith-miracles/ The most obvious miracle is the translation of the Book of Mormon.
> Illiterate, relies on other people to write his thoughts down for him.
JS had a 3rd grade education, and we have examples of his personally written documents, and in his early life he sounded like a retard (outside of the revelations.) Later on in life he became quite eloquent. He had to have multiple secretaries following him around to keep up with everything he was doing.
> Doesn't confer with any serious theologians
Many of the ones JS conferred with converted to the LDS church, from the earliest founding on. Sidney Rigdon, for example. He did spend a lot of time talking to other leaders of religion.
> Lives an unholy carnal lifestyle
It is true that JS was sealed (eternally married) to multiple women. We know that some of them were probably married for this life as well, and we have no first-hand witnesses of any sexual congress with them nor any offspring. Most of the time people would charge him with all sorts of nonsensical things and he would stand trial for it and be exonerated.
The one thing modern people get upset with is his marriage with the Kimball daughter who was 14 at the time. She was all but forced into it by her dad, and as far as we know JS showed up for the wedding and then never saw her again. We have a journal entry that her parents forbade her from attending a dance because she was supposed to act like she was married to JS. Again, no evidence of sexual relations nor any offspring.
JS claims that he was forced into plural marriage because God revealed it to him and with every revelation comes a commandment to obey it. Along with plural marriage came the teaching on eternal marriage. Whatever the case, the Bible definitely teaches that plural marriage is no sin, and there is plenty of historical evidence that the early Christians thought the same. It wasn't until much, much later when Roman and Greek thought dominated Christendom that they adopted the Roman and Greek ways of monogamy.
> Claims to talk to demons
There was an occasion when a being appeared in the form of an angel of light, but he was quickly detected and cast out.
JS claims to have spoken with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and many angels who were righteous men in this life. All of the beings he conferred with testify of Christ's divinity and atoning sacrifice.
> Gives several prophecies which don't come true
So did Jesus and Jonah. Regardless, some of JS prophecies did come true, but that's not why we consider him a prophet anyway. No one was following Moses around the desert because he was good at telling the future, after all.
> Allah supposedly gives him information on Christian/Jewish theology that neither religion believes in
Meanwhile, Joseph Smith is revealing ancient scripture that were later discovered. IE, the Book of Abraham and Book of Moses has accounts from the various Books of Enoch that were later discovered. Joseph Smith was able to name geographical locations in Abraham's day that had been lost to history but rediscovered.
> Reveals several 'inspired' scientific theories which were obviously false in his own day
JS encouraged people to learn any and all subjects, including science, teaching the Saints that whatever knowledge they obtained in this life would go with them into the next. BYU's motto is "The Glory of God is Intelligence" which we interpret to mean that God wants us to learn all we can about everything.
> Claims that if he is a false prophet then he will be killed by having his aorta severed
Several of JS's revelation include the Lord chastising him for his weaknesses and sins. The Lord forgives him but on some occasions warns him if he doesn't shape up the Lord will call on someone else.
> Canonically dies by having his aorta severed
JS was killed by a mob. The historical evidence is that it was a political assassination. They tried to cut his head off but we now have 2 historical accounts that divine intervention prevented it. According to both a bright light appeared and there was thunder and the mob fled into the woods in fear.
> Have muslims never questioned this shit?
When it comes to Islam, I have 2 theories, neither of them good. Both come down to how we know anything at all about Mohammed, and the testimony is highly suspect. Likely, a very wicked man either took the story of Mohammed and perverted it, or invented it, to try and persuade his people not to follow Jesus or the jews. There are ideas that they were all being controlled by the catholics or the jews or both, but I don't see much evidence of that.
Regardless, this is what you get when people claim their scripture is infallible. Ultimately, someone needs to read and interpret those scriptures and as long as such a person is fallible then the scriptures cannot be infallible. If reality contradicts their book, or really, their interpretation of the book, it is reality that is wrong, not the book. People that believe the Bible is infallible fall into the exact same trap and are sometimes too stupid to realize it.
As for me -- Muslims accept that Jesus was a holy prophet, and if you read the Koran, he is actually superior to Mohammed. This suggests that if anything, Islam is more of a heretic Christian sect than anything else.
Compared with the jews, who think Jesus is boiling in shit in hell... We have better allies with muslims than them.
> claims to be the final prophet of God
JS claimed no such thing. He prophesied of future prophets yet to come, and he pointed to the Bible to support his prophecies. In fact, like Moses, he encouraged everyone to prophesy, and delegated his authority as much as possible.
> No other prophet foretold his coming
It depends on how you interpret it, but some people point to specific verses in the Bible and then generic concepts like the Gathering of Israel in the last days that is a recurring theme in the Bible. God doesn't do anything without calling a prophet, so someone had to be called to execute the work to be done.
Being foretold isn't really a condition to be a prophet, though. Who foretold of Abraham's coming?
> Performs zero (0) miracles
The number of miracles that JS performed are insane. https://josephsmithfoundation.org/joseph-smith-miracles/ The most obvious miracle is the translation of the Book of Mormon.
> Illiterate, relies on other people to write his thoughts down for him.
JS had a 3rd grade education, and we have examples of his personally written documents, and in his early life he sounded like a retard (outside of the revelations.) Later on in life he became quite eloquent. He had to have multiple secretaries following him around to keep up with everything he was doing.
> Doesn't confer with any serious theologians
Many of the ones JS conferred with converted to the LDS church, from the earliest founding on. Sidney Rigdon, for example. He did spend a lot of time talking to other leaders of religion.
> Lives an unholy carnal lifestyle
It is true that JS was sealed (eternally married) to multiple women. We know that some of them were probably married for this life as well, and we have no first-hand witnesses of any sexual congress with them nor any offspring. Most of the time people would charge him with all sorts of nonsensical things and he would stand trial for it and be exonerated.
The one thing modern people get upset with is his marriage with the Kimball daughter who was 14 at the time. She was all but forced into it by her dad, and as far as we know JS showed up for the wedding and then never saw her again. We have a journal entry that her parents forbade her from attending a dance because she was supposed to act like she was married to JS. Again, no evidence of sexual relations nor any offspring.
JS claims that he was forced into plural marriage because God revealed it to him and with every revelation comes a commandment to obey it. Along with plural marriage came the teaching on eternal marriage. Whatever the case, the Bible definitely teaches that plural marriage is no sin, and there is plenty of historical evidence that the early Christians thought the same. It wasn't until much, much later when Roman and Greek thought dominated Christendom that they adopted the Roman and Greek ways of monogamy.
> Claims to talk to demons
There was an occasion when a being appeared in the form of an angel of light, but he was quickly detected and cast out.
JS claims to have spoken with God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and many angels who were righteous men in this life. All of the beings he conferred with testify of Christ's divinity and atoning sacrifice.
> Gives several prophecies which don't come true
So did Jesus and Jonah. Regardless, some of JS prophecies did come true, but that's not why we consider him a prophet anyway. No one was following Moses around the desert because he was good at telling the future, after all.
> Allah supposedly gives him information on Christian/Jewish theology that neither religion believes in
Meanwhile, Joseph Smith is revealing ancient scripture that were later discovered. IE, the Book of Abraham and Book of Moses has accounts from the various Books of Enoch that were later discovered. Joseph Smith was able to name geographical locations in Abraham's day that had been lost to history but rediscovered.
> Reveals several 'inspired' scientific theories which were obviously false in his own day
JS encouraged people to learn any and all subjects, including science, teaching the Saints that whatever knowledge they obtained in this life would go with them into the next. BYU's motto is "The Glory of God is Intelligence" which we interpret to mean that God wants us to learn all we can about everything.
> Claims that if he is a false prophet then he will be killed by having his aorta severed
Several of JS's revelation include the Lord chastising him for his weaknesses and sins. The Lord forgives him but on some occasions warns him if he doesn't shape up the Lord will call on someone else.
> Canonically dies by having his aorta severed
JS was killed by a mob. The historical evidence is that it was a political assassination. They tried to cut his head off but we now have 2 historical accounts that divine intervention prevented it. According to both a bright light appeared and there was thunder and the mob fled into the woods in fear.
> Have muslims never questioned this shit?
When it comes to Islam, I have 2 theories, neither of them good. Both come down to how we know anything at all about Mohammed, and the testimony is highly suspect. Likely, a very wicked man either took the story of Mohammed and perverted it, or invented it, to try and persuade his people not to follow Jesus or the jews. There are ideas that they were all being controlled by the catholics or the jews or both, but I don't see much evidence of that.
Regardless, this is what you get when people claim their scripture is infallible. Ultimately, someone needs to read and interpret those scriptures and as long as such a person is fallible then the scriptures cannot be infallible. If reality contradicts their book, or really, their interpretation of the book, it is reality that is wrong, not the book. People that believe the Bible is infallible fall into the exact same trap and are sometimes too stupid to realize it.
As for me -- Muslims accept that Jesus was a holy prophet, and if you read the Koran, he is actually superior to Mohammed. This suggests that if anything, Islam is more of a heretic Christian sect than anything else.
Compared with the jews, who think Jesus is boiling in shit in hell... We have better allies with muslims than them.
Space Jesus polytheist fanfictionists are not Christians. Good people usually though
We seem to believe in the Bible, what it actually says.
You guys swore an oath to a man-made creed. The exact opposite of what Jesus wanted us to do.
You guys swore an oath to a man-made creed. The exact opposite of what Jesus wanted us to do.
One of your tenets explicitly makes allowance for more than one god. So no.
Im sure you're a good person though. Love ya you filthy heretic.
Im sure you're a good person though. Love ya you filthy heretic.
> One of your tenets explicitly makes allowance for more than one god. So no.
Oh?
So you reject the Bible, because it teaches clearly that there are multiple gods?
VERY INTERESTING...
Oh?
So you reject the Bible, because it teaches clearly that there are multiple gods?
VERY INTERESTING...
It doesnt. The father the son and the holy spirit are one. Just as you are mind soul and body. You are three in one as well. And we are made in God's image. There is not multiple gods. I have many reasons I reject Mormons beyond this. But thinking god will elevate you to being God of a planet for being a good mormon is peak cultist behavior. Utmost heresy. You are likely a good person. But you are actively following a false prophets message.
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