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Job is always the go to argument based on misconceptions. God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin. So if we didn't sin, we wouldn't have suffering or wickedness. We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent." He doesn't exist *outside* morality, He *is* morality. There is no way to define morality without God. Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
> Job is always the go to argument based on misconceptions.
You've said nothing to demonstrate that my reading of Job is a misconception.
> We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent."
Speaking of misconceptions, "free will" is a wholly extrabiblical concept. It is never once affirmed as dogma, and the opposite is proven on multiple occasions. Hardening Pharaoh's heart. Satan entering into Judas. "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."
God routinely manipulates human will as a matter of course. Christianity itself is built on the notion of its adherents being monergistically "chosen" as elect, at the exclusion of the damned.
> God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin.
Nope. If God did not want those things, then those things would not exist. It really is that simple. This notion that our human "free will" places checks and balances on the desires of God Almighty is ludicrous, and supported nowhere in scripture. It only exists as a standard within postmodern exegesis, where the way theology makes you *feel* is what trumps all else.
> He doesn't exist outside morality, He is morality.
These things aren't mutually exclusive. The miniature moral framework that humans are given to abide by within the context of our mortal lives is *of God,* yes, but it's only a sliver of Him. And it doesn't apply to Him as it does to us.
This is why I point to Job. What I just described is the entire moral of the story. God does something completely heinous to a blameless man who loves him, which is absolutely unconscionable within morality as we understand it.
When Job "rightly" lashes out over this injustice, he is rebuked not for any error in his moral logic, but because he is trying to wield that logic against God. He defiles the divine hierarchy by trying to assert that God had no right to torture him, when the metaphysical truth is that God had *every* right to do so.
God's entire response to Job is to proclaim that He is *other*—and Job is *dust.*
> Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
Now this is just unserious LARP. Nothing in the bible or historical Christianity supports this ridiculous notion.
Edit: Downvote and walk away? Thanks for conceding that you have no rebuttal.
You've said nothing to demonstrate that my reading of Job is a misconception.
> We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent."
Speaking of misconceptions, "free will" is a wholly extrabiblical concept. It is never once affirmed as dogma, and the opposite is proven on multiple occasions. Hardening Pharaoh's heart. Satan entering into Judas. "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."
God routinely manipulates human will as a matter of course. Christianity itself is built on the notion of its adherents being monergistically "chosen" as elect, at the exclusion of the damned.
> God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin.
Nope. If God did not want those things, then those things would not exist. It really is that simple. This notion that our human "free will" places checks and balances on the desires of God Almighty is ludicrous, and supported nowhere in scripture. It only exists as a standard within postmodern exegesis, where the way theology makes you *feel* is what trumps all else.
> He doesn't exist outside morality, He is morality.
These things aren't mutually exclusive. The miniature moral framework that humans are given to abide by within the context of our mortal lives is *of God,* yes, but it's only a sliver of Him. And it doesn't apply to Him as it does to us.
This is why I point to Job. What I just described is the entire moral of the story. God does something completely heinous to a blameless man who loves him, which is absolutely unconscionable within morality as we understand it.
When Job "rightly" lashes out over this injustice, he is rebuked not for any error in his moral logic, but because he is trying to wield that logic against God. He defiles the divine hierarchy by trying to assert that God had no right to torture him, when the metaphysical truth is that God had *every* right to do so.
God's entire response to Job is to proclaim that He is *other*—and Job is *dust.*
> Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
Now this is just unserious LARP. Nothing in the bible or historical Christianity supports this ridiculous notion.
Edit: Downvote and walk away? Thanks for conceding that you have no rebuttal.