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God is definitely the steward of Evil. We as mortals will never be given His exact reasons for permitting it (certainly not in this life, at least,) but it obviously plays just as much a role in His grand design as Good.
I can't think of any reason why this unambiguous truth is contested beyond it being threatening to people's emotional comfort. The book of Job makes it very clear that "Satan" is a subordinate who acts under God's direct authority, and God does plan Evil for the lives of mortals (including innocents) in order to serve the divine narrative.
God is not strictly benevolent. If He wanted there to be no suffering or wickedness, then there would be no suffering or wickedness. Just as God exists outside of time, He also exists outside of *morality.* The rules he gives to define the playing field of our little lives are not rules that confine His own infinite nature. They could certainly never *implicate* that nature.
Faith is measured not just by your willingness to praise God when He blesses you, but also your willingness to praise Him as sovereign and holy above all even when he afflicts you with all kinds of curses. Indeed, when he tortures you and takes away your very life.
Job is always the go to argument based on misconceptions. God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin. So if we didn't sin, we wouldn't have suffering or wickedness. We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent." He doesn't exist *outside* morality, He *is* morality. There is no way to define morality without God. Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
> Job is always the go to argument based on misconceptions.
You've said nothing to demonstrate that my reading of Job is a misconception.
> We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent."
Speaking of misconceptions, "free will" is a wholly extrabiblical concept. It is never once affirmed as dogma, and the opposite is proven on multiple occasions. Hardening Pharaoh's heart. Satan entering into Judas. "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."
God routinely manipulates human will as a matter of course. Christianity itself is built on the notion of its adherents being monergistically "chosen" as elect, at the exclusion of the damned.
> God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin.
Nope. If God did not want those things, then those things would not exist. It really is that simple. This notion that our human "free will" places checks and balances on the desires of God Almighty is ludicrous, and supported nowhere in scripture. It only exists as a standard within postmodern exegesis, where the way theology makes you *feel* is what trumps all else.
> He doesn't exist outside morality, He is morality.
These things aren't mutually exclusive. The miniature moral framework that humans are given to abide by within the context of our mortal lives is *of God,* yes, but it's only a sliver of Him. And it doesn't apply to Him as it does to us.
This is why I point to Job. What I just described is the entire moral of the story. God does something completely heinous to a blameless man who loves him, which is absolutely unconscionable within morality as we understand it.
When Job "rightly" lashes out over this injustice, he is rebuked not for any error in his moral logic, but because he is trying to wield that logic against God. He defiles the divine hierarchy by trying to assert that God had no right to torture him, when the metaphysical truth is that God had *every* right to do so.
God's entire response to Job is to proclaim that He is *other*—and Job is *dust.*
> Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
Now this is just unserious LARP. Nothing in the bible or historical Christianity supports this ridiculous notion.
Edit: Downvote and walk away? Thanks for conceding that you have no rebuttal.
I can't think of any reason why this unambiguous truth is contested beyond it being threatening to people's emotional comfort. The book of Job makes it very clear that "Satan" is a subordinate who acts under God's direct authority, and God does plan Evil for the lives of mortals (including innocents) in order to serve the divine narrative.
God is not strictly benevolent. If He wanted there to be no suffering or wickedness, then there would be no suffering or wickedness. Just as God exists outside of time, He also exists outside of *morality.* The rules he gives to define the playing field of our little lives are not rules that confine His own infinite nature. They could certainly never *implicate* that nature.
Faith is measured not just by your willingness to praise God when He blesses you, but also your willingness to praise Him as sovereign and holy above all even when he afflicts you with all kinds of curses. Indeed, when he tortures you and takes away your very life.
Again, read Job.
You've said nothing to demonstrate that my reading of Job is a misconception.
> We have the free will to choose that, and that's what makes God so "strictly benevolent."
Speaking of misconceptions, "free will" is a wholly extrabiblical concept. It is never once affirmed as dogma, and the opposite is proven on multiple occasions. Hardening Pharaoh's heart. Satan entering into Judas. "God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."
God routinely manipulates human will as a matter of course. Christianity itself is built on the notion of its adherents being monergistically "chosen" as elect, at the exclusion of the damned.
> God loves you and does not want you to have suffering or wickedness, these are the prices we pay for our sin.
Nope. If God did not want those things, then those things would not exist. It really is that simple. This notion that our human "free will" places checks and balances on the desires of God Almighty is ludicrous, and supported nowhere in scripture. It only exists as a standard within postmodern exegesis, where the way theology makes you *feel* is what trumps all else.
> He doesn't exist outside morality, He is morality.
These things aren't mutually exclusive. The miniature moral framework that humans are given to abide by within the context of our mortal lives is *of God,* yes, but it's only a sliver of Him. And it doesn't apply to Him as it does to us.
This is why I point to Job. What I just described is the entire moral of the story. God does something completely heinous to a blameless man who loves him, which is absolutely unconscionable within morality as we understand it.
When Job "rightly" lashes out over this injustice, he is rebuked not for any error in his moral logic, but because he is trying to wield that logic against God. He defiles the divine hierarchy by trying to assert that God had no right to torture him, when the metaphysical truth is that God had *every* right to do so.
God's entire response to Job is to proclaim that He is *other*—and Job is *dust.*
> Your faith is largely measured by how much you hate jews and all non-Whites forever.
Now this is just unserious LARP. Nothing in the bible or historical Christianity supports this ridiculous notion.
Edit: Downvote and walk away? Thanks for conceding that you have no rebuttal.