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>Jefferson was the most extreme liberal but even he recognized that the government needs to provide education... [etc.]

You're refuting something I didn't say. I said:

> if society is to become anything greater than the sum of its parts, **we have to figure out how to get along**. The Founding Fathers and every other great philosophical/political mind in history acknowledges this

I was saying the Founding Fathers, et. al., acknowledge the need for government. It's a very stupid thing to think government isn't needed; I wouldn't say that (at least, not since I hit puberty).

I mean I began by saying government is necessary. I called it a necessary *evil* because any self-sufficient person is will likely find himself constrained and imposed upon by government. Maybe "evil" is the wrong word - "inconvenience" is probably better. There is, theoretically, righteous & just government and righteous law, but I don't think Man is capable of bringing it to birth.


>Hahah, what? Name one!

Socrates, Plato & Aristotle come to mind, and then you can think of all the people they influenced (St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Augustine, John Locke, *The Founding Fathers*, etc.), but it becomes an *a priori* assumption once those foundational philosophies are established.