"No we don't protest when they kill us, that's what the left does, that's wrong."
Summary: If the Boston Tea Party happened today right wingers would be bending over backwards to condemn the protest as "something the left does, not us."
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I think you're both misunderstanding each other having read through all of this shit.
What Tallest needs to understand is that your point, is that you want to cause a shift into our favor by getting more people to notice - i.e. posting on social media or in real life to spread awareness of the jewish menace. Tallest, he's not a Qtard, he simply wants us to win by spreading awareness.
Genesis, here's what you need to understand about Tallest's points. He's not a total doomer like some people believe he is by advocating for either "suicide or kill jews". His point is simply that jews have more power now than ever before and it's going to become extremely difficult for us to come back. He's a realist and completely objective. You can't disprove the facts that he's posted because he *is* right. He's not telling you to not go spread awareness. He's simply stating that until jews *actually* start dying, nothing significant will change and we just lose. He's mocking you with the Qanon link because he thinks you're implying that a white revolution will happen any day now (which he is wrong about since your position is more nuanced than that.)
How we get to the point of winning and shifting the cultural zeitgeist is, and I agree with you Genesis, is by spreading awareness. I think Tallest's way of contributing, so far as I can tell from what I know about him, is providing us with a plethora of facts, truths, and the issues stopping us from winning.
His bottom line is basically: jews need to die, and if you're someone who is doing nothing to contribute to the cause of ridding ourselves of them then you should just kill yourself because you're aware of the problem but not doing anything about it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong u/TallestSkil
You both should be getting along, because you're on the same side. You're both clearly Christian White men.
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> What Tallest needs to understand is that your point, is that you want to cause a shift into our favor by getting more people to notice - i.e. posting on social media or in real life to spread awareness of the jewish menace. Tallest, he's not a Qtard, he simply wants us to win by spreading awareness.
I’m entirely aware of this, as I have been aware of each of his kind before him for years.
# Talking doesn’t work.
If the murder of one of the most shabbos of goyim didn’t prove that to you, then you deserve to die by walking into a ghetto and talking to niggers about how “it’s actually the jews who are the problem.”
**Everyone who is capable of rational thought is already awake.** Anyone who says “just keep talking” exists solely to trick you into wasting your time, manpower, and funding on things that do absolutely nothing and which only help jews. The people you’re trying to convince aren’t capable of reasoning. They completely lack the ability to form a worldview based upon external, immutable truths. They are only capable of obeying whatever group they *perceive* is most powerful. We have been at the point—for at least five years—where we should have been solely focused on physical actions to create this perception.
Instead, paid shills demand we do nothing but talk, claiming anyone who acts isn’t one of us.
There’s a beautiful irony here, but I haven’t outlined it yet, I want to see if the other guy smacks headlong into it first.
EDIT: Never mind, he gave up pretending to hide the fact that he’s a paid shill. His last comment has no content whatever.
The irony, then, is that the paid shill demands we do nothing but talk about the problem, but when I—*exclusively on this site*—talk about the problem, the paid shill immediately demands we stop talking about it because it can’t refute what I say and its feelings got hurt.
I don't entirely agree with your point about "everyone who is already awake is". I offer myself as an example because a midwit like myself somehow stumbled into noticing by coming from Reddit KIA to Scored KIA, and cross posters from conpro posting things on there that ultimately got me to see the truth.
Before that point, I had in fact, heard about the jews from 4chan and such, but I was also a teenager and just kind of wrote it off by thinking that "nah, we would never let that happen, they can't entirely prove it's all jews running the system." Clearly that thought process was wrong, I just didn't have the hard proof until I came here. Even then, it was a very gradual process of me being redpilled. I get that it's much harder to convince people of something rather than waiting for them to stumble upon the truth like I did, but I still think it's worth doing.
Another aspect to take into consideration are how the vast majority of Christians will push back on you because of the whole "Jesus is a jew" thing. It's really hard to convince those folks. Talking by convincing them is still better than nothing.
I don't remember seeing where he said to stop talking about the problem. He's just trying to shut you down because he doesn't understand your point and badly wants to prove you wrong (which he can't since his last post had no substance to it.)
Also no, I don't see how a milquetoast consverative like Charlie Kirk getting shot proves that talking doesn't work. I'd be interested in hearing an explanation on that.
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> It's really hard to convince those folks.
They’re not Christians. It’s honestly extremely easy to convince them because they *think* they have an ideological framework in place already. Where overt non-Christians have no historical frame of reference and reject the concept of collective thought or action, even evangelical zionists carry around a book (they they have never read) that destroys their worldview. All you have to do is tell them to open *their own possession* (so you’re not tricking them with an altered copy) and turn to a handful of verses where God Himself says jews are damned forever.
> I don't see how a milquetoast consverative like Charlie Kirk getting shot proves that talking doesn't work. I'd be interested in hearing an explanation on that.
* Philosopher: “Here is truth and what we should do about it.”
* Sophist: “No, truth does not exist. I want to do something else.”
* P: “Here is axiomatic proof of the immutability of certain things and the harmfulness of the thing you want to do..”
* S: “Truth does not exist; I will continue to do as I please.”
* P: “You are now harming me as well as yourself with your beliefs and actions. You must stop this for our common good.”
* S: “You are now imposing your opinions on me by harming my pleasure. I will no longer listen to you and continue to do as I please. Cease talking.”
* P: “But your actions harm you both in the moment and over time. Harm to you is harm to me, by social association. I will guide others not to follow your example.”
* S: “If you attempt to prevent others from becoming like me, you become a direct threat to me. You are creating an army against me. Stop talking. Now.”
* P: “I wish you no harm and will not physically act to prevent you from your actions. I only wish you to understand my position.”
* S: [gunshot]
>All you have to do is tell them to open their own possession (so you’re not tricking them with an altered copy) and turn to a handful of verses where God Himself says jews are damned forever.
Probably just in my case then as I'm not great at debating. I've attempted this with my grandfather and pointed out multiple verses (John 8:44 and Revelations 2:9 and 3:9) and he accused me of cherry picking and continued to take the stance that Jesus is a jew despite me trying to argue that no, modern jew ≠ biblical jew.
And I see your point about Kirk now. You're basically saying that because he was starting to talk about jews more recently as a problem (or starting to slide into noticing himself), that they (either jews or shabbos goyim) decided to shoot him. And in that regard, since all he did was talk without taking physical action, his attempts at talking about it were pointless because he ended up getting shot and the audience he had that could have had their eyes opened, will now not have their eyes opened since he's dead.
You make a good case for the futility of talking about it / attempting to shift public perception, but again, I don't believe it's entirely worthless. The more that people become aware of it, as far as I'm concerned, the better. In short, it increases the chance that maybe we will be able to do something about it once enough people become aware, like a hitting a critical mass. I don't entirely agree with your sentiment of "everyone that can be convinced already has been". Whether or not that includes the ones who matter. Since the most it seems that people do once they do become aware is just try to spread more awareness, rather than taking physical action. I'll reiterate my point, it might not be much, but at least it's something, so it's not entirely futile.
>He's not a total doomer like some people believe he is by advocating for either "suicide or kill jews".
I actually have it on record where he says exactly this:
>"There’s no reason left to live for here. There’s no remaining way to make a reason to live for here. There’s no justification for continuing to live if and when all actions taken will be either against God, outside God, or erased to godlessness within a generation. If it’s something done only for “my time,” it wasn’t worth doing (or it wasn’t done correctly). We refuse to act. We refuse to behave correctly. We refuse to defend ourselves. As such, the only recourse is for Him to return. If, within the window of opportunity, He does not return–and because we cannot estimate, predict, or confirm His return–physical revolution against the world must occur, as it is the only remaining recourse."
And then there's a billion posts of him saying "shoot jews or suicide" in just about any thread similar to this one.
>You can't disprove the facts that he's posted because he is right.
There have been multiple times in history where Whites were extremely disadvantaged and still overthrew and won, sometimes in even worse odds than today. Yes, things suck. I' not saying they don't suck. I'm not saying we have a huge advantage or that it will be easy. I'm saying that God is greater than Tallest and for all his claims, he keeps forgetting that God promises we will never fall. Whether or not this is the "144k Remnant" and Jesus returns in our lifetimes is irrelevant; you go out and you fight, whether or not you expect to live through it, because you will win either way. His entire purpose of existence right now is to say "SEE HOW SHIT THINGS ARE? IT'S HOPELESS! I'LL KEEP BEING MAD AND TEARING OTHERS DOWN BECAUSE I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF CHRISTIAN IDEALISM LEFT IN ME!" instead of, you know, talking and doing stuff anyway because God is stronger than the jew.
>He's not telling you to not go spread awareness. He's simply stating that until jews actually start dying, nothing significant will change and we just lose.
These are contradictory statements. He absolutely does tell you to "stop talking, it never works or has ever worked" because all he wants is the shooty shooty part without any work towards getting there, and worse he promotes anyone who tries to work towards getting there to shoot themselves instead, all while he does not shoot jews himself to "show us how it's done."
>I think Tallest's way of contributing, so far as I can tell from what I know about him, is providing us with a plethora of facts, truths, and the issues stopping us from winning.
This would be great if he'd shut the fuck up about "kill your self if you aren't shooting jews" when he also isn't shooting jews himself.
>His bottom line is basically: jews need to die, and if you're someone who is doing nothing to contribute to the cause of ridding ourselves of them then you should just kill yourself because you're aware of the problem but not doing anything about it.
Again, you're contradicting your self here. You said earlier he doesn't encourage talking non-jew shooters to kill themselves, yet right here you confirm it.
>You both should be getting along, because you're on the same side. You're both clearly Christian White men.
It's difficult to move towards shooting jews when you have loud influential doomers trying to shut down all meaningful conversation around it and cause potential leaders to just go back to playing video games instead "because there's no hope", like that Uncle Noticer guy.
>I actually have it on record where he says exactly this:
You're still misinterpreting what he means. Read between the lines.
>There have been multiple times in history where Whites were extremely disadvantaged and still overthrew and won
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that within the last 80 years no one has done anything of note in that regard. I do, however, agree with you that we can still win. Tallest does too, but on the predicament that we have ten years tops; not sure how he came to that number but take with that information what you will.
>These are contradictory statements.
Let's use an analogy, maybe that will help. Think of it like building a house. Spreading awareness is like drawing up the blueprints and getting all the permits - it's essential work, akin to what you are advocating for. But his statement is that until you actually start building the walls and putting on the roof (the 'shooty shooty' part), you'll never actually have a house. He's not telling you to stop drawing blueprints; he's saying that until you start building, you won't get a house, and all your permit work is for nothing.
>Again, you're contradicting your self here. You said earlier he doesn't encourage talking non-jew shooters to kill themselves, yet right here you confirm it.
There's no contradiction. In the first conversation, I was defending his stance against the claim that he was telling people to stop spreading awareness. I was explaining that he believes awareness is just not enough.
In my most recent statement, I was summarizing his full philosophy, which is much more extreme. I am not saying he said, 'go kill yourself.' I am saying his bottom-line ideology leads to the conclusion that if you are not actively fighting the enemy, you are useless to the cause and that the logical conclusion is that you should kill yourself - rather that it should be akin to that since we'll all be genocided in the end if we do nothing. I'm not confirming his words, I'm confirming my interpretation of his ideology.
>shut down all meaningful conversation around it
But he's not "shutting it down". He posts facts and asks for a response. Yes, he is more blackpilled and doomer than everyone here and that's because he believes what he says.
>You're still misinterpreting what he means. Read between the lines.
I'm not though. I'll summarize this entire conversation with one reply here: "If he's not going to shoot jews himself, he shouldn't 'blackpill and doom' anyone until he does." I've personally seen what he's done with two of my friends. One of them you can see in this thread is completely out of his mind, and the other no longer contacts him and agrees with me, but wishes him the best.
What Tallest needs to understand is that your point, is that you want to cause a shift into our favor by getting more people to notice - i.e. posting on social media or in real life to spread awareness of the jewish menace. Tallest, he's not a Qtard, he simply wants us to win by spreading awareness.
Genesis, here's what you need to understand about Tallest's points. He's not a total doomer like some people believe he is by advocating for either "suicide or kill jews". His point is simply that jews have more power now than ever before and it's going to become extremely difficult for us to come back. He's a realist and completely objective. You can't disprove the facts that he's posted because he *is* right. He's not telling you to not go spread awareness. He's simply stating that until jews *actually* start dying, nothing significant will change and we just lose. He's mocking you with the Qanon link because he thinks you're implying that a white revolution will happen any day now (which he is wrong about since your position is more nuanced than that.)
How we get to the point of winning and shifting the cultural zeitgeist is, and I agree with you Genesis, is by spreading awareness. I think Tallest's way of contributing, so far as I can tell from what I know about him, is providing us with a plethora of facts, truths, and the issues stopping us from winning.
His bottom line is basically: jews need to die, and if you're someone who is doing nothing to contribute to the cause of ridding ourselves of them then you should just kill yourself because you're aware of the problem but not doing anything about it. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong u/TallestSkil
You both should be getting along, because you're on the same side. You're both clearly Christian White men.
I’m entirely aware of this, as I have been aware of each of his kind before him for years.
# Talking doesn’t work.
If the murder of one of the most shabbos of goyim didn’t prove that to you, then you deserve to die by walking into a ghetto and talking to niggers about how “it’s actually the jews who are the problem.”
**Everyone who is capable of rational thought is already awake.** Anyone who says “just keep talking” exists solely to trick you into wasting your time, manpower, and funding on things that do absolutely nothing and which only help jews. The people you’re trying to convince aren’t capable of reasoning. They completely lack the ability to form a worldview based upon external, immutable truths. They are only capable of obeying whatever group they *perceive* is most powerful. We have been at the point—for at least five years—where we should have been solely focused on physical actions to create this perception.
Instead, paid shills demand we do nothing but talk, claiming anyone who acts isn’t one of us.
There’s a beautiful irony here, but I haven’t outlined it yet, I want to see if the other guy smacks headlong into it first.
EDIT: Never mind, he gave up pretending to hide the fact that he’s a paid shill. His last comment has no content whatever.
The irony, then, is that the paid shill demands we do nothing but talk about the problem, but when I—*exclusively on this site*—talk about the problem, the paid shill immediately demands we stop talking about it because it can’t refute what I say and its feelings got hurt.
Before that point, I had in fact, heard about the jews from 4chan and such, but I was also a teenager and just kind of wrote it off by thinking that "nah, we would never let that happen, they can't entirely prove it's all jews running the system." Clearly that thought process was wrong, I just didn't have the hard proof until I came here. Even then, it was a very gradual process of me being redpilled. I get that it's much harder to convince people of something rather than waiting for them to stumble upon the truth like I did, but I still think it's worth doing.
Another aspect to take into consideration are how the vast majority of Christians will push back on you because of the whole "Jesus is a jew" thing. It's really hard to convince those folks. Talking by convincing them is still better than nothing.
I don't remember seeing where he said to stop talking about the problem. He's just trying to shut you down because he doesn't understand your point and badly wants to prove you wrong (which he can't since his last post had no substance to it.)
Also no, I don't see how a milquetoast consverative like Charlie Kirk getting shot proves that talking doesn't work. I'd be interested in hearing an explanation on that.
They’re not Christians. It’s honestly extremely easy to convince them because they *think* they have an ideological framework in place already. Where overt non-Christians have no historical frame of reference and reject the concept of collective thought or action, even evangelical zionists carry around a book (they they have never read) that destroys their worldview. All you have to do is tell them to open *their own possession* (so you’re not tricking them with an altered copy) and turn to a handful of verses where God Himself says jews are damned forever.
> I don't see how a milquetoast consverative like Charlie Kirk getting shot proves that talking doesn't work. I'd be interested in hearing an explanation on that.
* Philosopher: “Here is truth and what we should do about it.”
* Sophist: “No, truth does not exist. I want to do something else.”
* P: “Here is axiomatic proof of the immutability of certain things and the harmfulness of the thing you want to do..”
* S: “Truth does not exist; I will continue to do as I please.”
* P: “You are now harming me as well as yourself with your beliefs and actions. You must stop this for our common good.”
* S: “You are now imposing your opinions on me by harming my pleasure. I will no longer listen to you and continue to do as I please. Cease talking.”
* P: “But your actions harm you both in the moment and over time. Harm to you is harm to me, by social association. I will guide others not to follow your example.”
* S: “If you attempt to prevent others from becoming like me, you become a direct threat to me. You are creating an army against me. Stop talking. Now.”
* P: “I wish you no harm and will not physically act to prevent you from your actions. I only wish you to understand my position.”
* S: [gunshot]
Probably just in my case then as I'm not great at debating. I've attempted this with my grandfather and pointed out multiple verses (John 8:44 and Revelations 2:9 and 3:9) and he accused me of cherry picking and continued to take the stance that Jesus is a jew despite me trying to argue that no, modern jew ≠ biblical jew.
And I see your point about Kirk now. You're basically saying that because he was starting to talk about jews more recently as a problem (or starting to slide into noticing himself), that they (either jews or shabbos goyim) decided to shoot him. And in that regard, since all he did was talk without taking physical action, his attempts at talking about it were pointless because he ended up getting shot and the audience he had that could have had their eyes opened, will now not have their eyes opened since he's dead.
You make a good case for the futility of talking about it / attempting to shift public perception, but again, I don't believe it's entirely worthless. The more that people become aware of it, as far as I'm concerned, the better. In short, it increases the chance that maybe we will be able to do something about it once enough people become aware, like a hitting a critical mass. I don't entirely agree with your sentiment of "everyone that can be convinced already has been". Whether or not that includes the ones who matter. Since the most it seems that people do once they do become aware is just try to spread more awareness, rather than taking physical action. I'll reiterate my point, it might not be much, but at least it's something, so it's not entirely futile.
That's a good take overall. Thanks for providing your insight.
I actually have it on record where he says exactly this:
>"There’s no reason left to live for here. There’s no remaining way to make a reason to live for here. There’s no justification for continuing to live if and when all actions taken will be either against God, outside God, or erased to godlessness within a generation. If it’s something done only for “my time,” it wasn’t worth doing (or it wasn’t done correctly). We refuse to act. We refuse to behave correctly. We refuse to defend ourselves. As such, the only recourse is for Him to return. If, within the window of opportunity, He does not return–and because we cannot estimate, predict, or confirm His return–physical revolution against the world must occur, as it is the only remaining recourse."
And then there's a billion posts of him saying "shoot jews or suicide" in just about any thread similar to this one.
>You can't disprove the facts that he's posted because he is right.
There have been multiple times in history where Whites were extremely disadvantaged and still overthrew and won, sometimes in even worse odds than today. Yes, things suck. I' not saying they don't suck. I'm not saying we have a huge advantage or that it will be easy. I'm saying that God is greater than Tallest and for all his claims, he keeps forgetting that God promises we will never fall. Whether or not this is the "144k Remnant" and Jesus returns in our lifetimes is irrelevant; you go out and you fight, whether or not you expect to live through it, because you will win either way. His entire purpose of existence right now is to say "SEE HOW SHIT THINGS ARE? IT'S HOPELESS! I'LL KEEP BEING MAD AND TEARING OTHERS DOWN BECAUSE I HAVE NO CONCEPT OF CHRISTIAN IDEALISM LEFT IN ME!" instead of, you know, talking and doing stuff anyway because God is stronger than the jew.
>He's not telling you to not go spread awareness. He's simply stating that until jews actually start dying, nothing significant will change and we just lose.
These are contradictory statements. He absolutely does tell you to "stop talking, it never works or has ever worked" because all he wants is the shooty shooty part without any work towards getting there, and worse he promotes anyone who tries to work towards getting there to shoot themselves instead, all while he does not shoot jews himself to "show us how it's done."
>I think Tallest's way of contributing, so far as I can tell from what I know about him, is providing us with a plethora of facts, truths, and the issues stopping us from winning.
This would be great if he'd shut the fuck up about "kill your self if you aren't shooting jews" when he also isn't shooting jews himself.
>His bottom line is basically: jews need to die, and if you're someone who is doing nothing to contribute to the cause of ridding ourselves of them then you should just kill yourself because you're aware of the problem but not doing anything about it.
Again, you're contradicting your self here. You said earlier he doesn't encourage talking non-jew shooters to kill themselves, yet right here you confirm it.
>You both should be getting along, because you're on the same side. You're both clearly Christian White men.
It's difficult to move towards shooting jews when you have loud influential doomers trying to shut down all meaningful conversation around it and cause potential leaders to just go back to playing video games instead "because there's no hope", like that Uncle Noticer guy.
You're still misinterpreting what he means. Read between the lines.
>There have been multiple times in history where Whites were extremely disadvantaged and still overthrew and won
Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that within the last 80 years no one has done anything of note in that regard. I do, however, agree with you that we can still win. Tallest does too, but on the predicament that we have ten years tops; not sure how he came to that number but take with that information what you will.
>These are contradictory statements.
Let's use an analogy, maybe that will help. Think of it like building a house. Spreading awareness is like drawing up the blueprints and getting all the permits - it's essential work, akin to what you are advocating for. But his statement is that until you actually start building the walls and putting on the roof (the 'shooty shooty' part), you'll never actually have a house. He's not telling you to stop drawing blueprints; he's saying that until you start building, you won't get a house, and all your permit work is for nothing.
>Again, you're contradicting your self here. You said earlier he doesn't encourage talking non-jew shooters to kill themselves, yet right here you confirm it.
There's no contradiction. In the first conversation, I was defending his stance against the claim that he was telling people to stop spreading awareness. I was explaining that he believes awareness is just not enough.
In my most recent statement, I was summarizing his full philosophy, which is much more extreme. I am not saying he said, 'go kill yourself.' I am saying his bottom-line ideology leads to the conclusion that if you are not actively fighting the enemy, you are useless to the cause and that the logical conclusion is that you should kill yourself - rather that it should be akin to that since we'll all be genocided in the end if we do nothing. I'm not confirming his words, I'm confirming my interpretation of his ideology.
>shut down all meaningful conversation around it
But he's not "shutting it down". He posts facts and asks for a response. Yes, he is more blackpilled and doomer than everyone here and that's because he believes what he says.
I'm not though. I'll summarize this entire conversation with one reply here: "If he's not going to shoot jews himself, he shouldn't 'blackpill and doom' anyone until he does." I've personally seen what he's done with two of my friends. One of them you can see in this thread is completely out of his mind, and the other no longer contacts him and agrees with me, but wishes him the best.