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I just learned the other day that the Visigoths and most Germans who originally converted to Christianity converted as Arians which means they didn't believe in the holy trinity. They believed Jesus came from God but wasn't God.

Truthfully, this is what I've always believed about Christianity also but I never knew the term was Arian or that it was a fairly popular belief until the Catholic Church forced everyone to convert to the Holy Trinity belief system.
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devotech2 on scored.co
20 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 2 children
Gulf Arabs used to be white before the mass expansion of the Arab slave trade into Southeastern Africa and the breakdown of racial consciousness led them to mix with female slaves.

Every depiction of Muhammad describes him as white. Whiter, even, than what would have been normal for the area at the time (mediterannean pretty much) but rather being extremely pale with dark (and in some depictions, but less reliable, red) hair. His living verified descendant, a scholar from syria, looks like Connor McGregor.
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The word arab itself means mixed
devotech2 on scored.co
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I'm aware. The ishmaelites, if you will, the "arabs" before they started mixing with other races, are the native inhabitants of the gulf and they were white. Muhammad was an ishmaelite more than an "arab"

Everyone now also just gets lumped under the term arab if they speak Arabic, regardless of if they're the children of Ishmael at all whatever. A Lebanese person is 90% canaanite and in many cases can claim no descent from the patriarch Ishmael at all, nor any gulf tribes or bedouins, but they're still called Arabs
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Erase99 on scored.co
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No Arabs were never White. Stop trying to shoehorn them into our family. There is no genetic information supporting this. They're brown because they live in hot countries. There's no reason they would look like Nords. Europeans cluster with each other, Arabs cluster with each other. There is no overlap between them.

https://thuletide.wordpress.com/2023/07/25/brown-greeks-and-white-middle-easterners-clearly-race-isnt-real/


I don't take the Islamic accounts as entirely honest. What was the Koran/Hadith going to do? Say he was swarthy? The Bible describes David as "ruddy". Maybe he was, compared to other Arabs. He didn't look like he came from Sweden, and neither did Mohammed.

Someone claiming to be Mohammed's descendant doesn't mean anything, either. You could have a Europeans who have Genghis Khan as a descendant. Does that mean Mongols are White?
devotech2 on scored.co
20 days ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
This article brings up a lot of archaeogenetics and genetic clustering. However, it does not mention one thing: that every individual peopling that made up the ancestry of both Europe and the levant was closely related to each other.

And if you see a map of genetic clustering across world populations, you see that the middle east and europe are closer to each other than any other 2 populations. Closer even than mongoloid populations:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Whole-genome_based_PCA_and_clustering_of_worlds_ethnic_groups.png/500px-Whole-genome_based_PCA_and_clustering_of_worlds_ethnic_groups.png

Particularly, all of these groups descend from somewhere in the Caucasus. Whether it's Anatolian farmers, natufians, Iranian hunter gatherers, western hunter gatherers, caucasian hunter gatherers (obviously), or even ancient north eurasians, which were a splinter from the same ancestry as WHG that mixed with a tianyuan element not related to west eurasians in Siberia.

In a nutshell all of these groups started leaving the area of the Caucasus (and also around Iran and Asia minor) at around the end of the ice age.

But there are 2 groups of people that throw a wrench into this and have stopped us from being, well, completely the same groups of people. Even though Europeans and middle easterners have both to some extent, it's in wildly different amounts:

The Arabs have basal eurasian dna thats much less present in Europeans that was brought by the natufians (the other half of natufian dna is from a population descended from WHG)

Europeans have basal east Asian dna that is effectively nonexistent in Arabs that was brought by the yamnaya which has its roots in the eastern hunter gatherers and therefore from ancient north eurasians, they mixed with tianyuan as I said earlier (indeed haplogroup R is an east Asian haplogroup in origin)

And of course, there was some mixing with unrelated local hunter gatherers of people who were in those areas that are not named.

A small amount of completely unrelated genetics throws off the genetic clustering. But only slightly. Indeed on a chart of world population genetic clustering, one would be forgiven for thinking that the middle east is in Europe. And these are modern populations. Imagine the iron age, which is when Islam spread. Let's go back a bit further and imagine the bronze age while we're at it.

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