If your advice is to stay off it, save it, no shit bub.
I get a decent amount of matches but I keep having a problem where I get maybe 5 messages into a conversation and the woman ghosts.
I start off asking how things are going then try to start conversation based on her bio. This seems to go nowhere.
What am I doing wrong? Am I supposed to call them cute immediately and begin the conversation with that?
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damnesia on scored.co
22 days ago1 point(+0/-0/+1Score on mirror)1 child
You really should do whatever you can to meet women in real life. They're all fucking the 5% of men they'd fuck just based on pictures and then thinking they deserve that guy. It fucks up their brains. You should probably try to avoid women you think were ever doing that. They will talk to the top 20% but they will only do that until Chad hits them up. That's why they're ghosting. I am better looking than most men but I'm not Chad and I wasted years of my life trying to date online. I had no trouble getting girls when I met them in the real world. I had hundreds of conversations. Maybe ten of them ever turned into dates. Only two ever made it to sex and neither went anywhere. It is a huge waste of time. Become a better, more social man. That's all you can do. It will work eventually. It is bullshit that this process has become like this. If you're in your 20's you've found yourself in the worst dating world that has ever existed for men. The apps are causing 80% of the problem. Stop contributing to the problem. Check out hoe_math on YouTube.
21 days ago-1 points(+0/-0/-1Score on mirror)1 child
Real life women have all the same options. Also how the hell have you had hundreds of conversations? I've never even had one thing that I would qualify as a conversation.
I started online dating in like 2008. I did it off and on for close to a decade. When I say conversation I just mean that there was at least a response back. I get what you're saying about conversation but you're being a little autistically semantic. Before tinder dating sites were a little more serious. Women were more weary of meeting strangers from the internet then and would actually have longer conversations. That was an attempt to vet men which was an important part of the dating process before the modern hellscape we find ourselves in today. Meeting strangers from the internet became much more normalized over the past 15 years.
Women in real life do technically have the same options if they are online dating. The difference is that when they are online they are only starting conversations with men that they find physically attractive. They will choose to meet the most physically attractive man that is talking to them. It really doesn't matter what he says. And if they aren't completely ugly they usually have hundreds on men messaging them, if not thousands. That means that if you are not a top 5% looking guy or aren't clearly wealthy you're going to have a hard time meeting women from the internet.
When you meet women in real life it allows you to establish some kind of relationship. They still have to be attracted to you but knowing you gives them more to consider than just looks. There are women that don't use the apps. All women do care about more than just looks it's just that the apps create a situation where the only thing that can be known about the other person is how they look. They also create this unnatural situation where all of the women have a near infinite dating pool and the whole thing is done privately. For all of human history the dating pool was who you knew in real life and if something was going on between people their community knew about it. Everyone had a reputation and it would follow them. Now everyone is a stranger and every relationship can take place in secret and women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad ad nauseum. Most women probably do not clearly understand this but at least some of them can identify that they do not like the way online dating works, that it does not give them what they actually want which is a good man.
I know it is hard. Having an actual social life is more and more difficult the way people are these days. But that's the best way to meet women. And don't listen to people who say don't shit where you eat. You spend a third of your life at work. Opportunities to meet women in real life are too scarce for you to eliminate the workplace as a potential place to meet them. I met most of my girlfriends and my wife at work.
>I started online dating in like 2008. I did it off and on for close to a decade. When I say conversation I just mean that there was at least a response back. I get what you're saying about conversation but you're being a little autistically semantic. Before tinder dating sites were a little more serious.
I caught the tail end of the dating sites that weren't based on the tinder model and it was the same shit as it is now, women refusing to interact, the only difference is instead of spending 2 minutes per night maxing out my swipes I would mass send opening messages but that didnt prevent me from being filtered by looks
>Women in real life do technically have the same options if they are online dating. The difference is that when they are online they are only starting conversations with men that they find physically attractive. They will choose to meet the most physically attractive man that is talking to them. It really doesn't matter what he says. And if they aren't completely ugly they usually have hundreds on men messaging them, if not thousands. That means that if you are not a top 5% looking guy or aren't clearly wealthy you're going to have a hard time meeting women from the internet.
basically the same as IRL, that isnt a difference.. You're pointing out a problem with female autonomy, not dating sites.
>When you meet women in real life it allows you to establish some kind of relationship. They still have to be attracted to you but knowing you gives them more to consider than just looks.
Looks are the lens through which all actions and words are judged through and personality is created through past experience. If women start with a negative first impression of me, view everything I do or say as weird and cringe due to my looks, and I have had an incredibly reserved, low energy and depressing personality beaten into me how exactly is any of that going to benefit me?
>There are women that don't use the apps
Because they have effectively endless options anyway.
>All women do care about more than just looks it's just that the apps create a situation where the only thing that can be known about the other person is how they look.
As I said earlier looks are a determining factor for how everything else is judged.
>They also create this unnatural situation where all of the women have a near infinite dating pool and the whole thing is done privately. For all of human history the dating pool was who you knew in real life and if something was going on between people their community knew about it. Everyone had a reputation and it would follow them. Now everyone is a stranger and every relationship can take place in secret and women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad ad nauseum
That doesn't matter when we live in a society where every woman can be assumed to be a slut anyway and most of them openly talk about the chad's they've fucked and sucked recently.
>Most women probably do not clearly understand this but at least some of them can identify that they do not like the way online dating works, that it does not give them what they actually want which is a good man.
Their idea of a "good man" is insane and their top priority is still looks, it's not online dating that's the problem, the core of the issue is female freedom and the evil society destroying idea that is romance.
>I know it is hard. Having an actual social life is more and more difficult the way people are these days. But that's the best way to meet women.
I can count the number of eligible women I've met through my social life on one hand, I'm not even averaging one meeting per year and many of them I never even ended up seeing again after the first introduction. If that's as good as it gets then I'm certain to die a virgin.
You're very black pilled. I can't blame you. I do think your view is skewed. You're right about a lot of stuff. "Gender equality" has completely fucked things up. I've delved deep into manosphere stuff and we're on the same page. I think immersing yourself into that kind of content can give you the impression that all women are like that. To some degree the majority of them are under the influence of the ideas that create women like that but they aren't all that far gone.
I could get really detailed but there's way too many variables for me to deal with in a comment. I don't know what you look like. I don't know where you live. I don't know your age. I don't know your career or your interests. Depending on all of those things you could be totally hopeless or you could be an easy fix. What I do know for sure is that your negative attitude is going to make any of those situations worse than it is. If you're a fat ugly blob loser whose main interests are video games and hating people over the internet and you refuse to change than you'd be better off embracing it and just resolving to see a pro sometimes. Maybe you're not a piece of shit but you're unwilling to compromise on your standards... Then you'll probably be better off just stepping out of the game. If you're not hopeless and you do want in... You're probably going to have to settle on one thing or another. Life isn't fair. You're not entitled to anything. They're are plenty of fat or ugly women that aren't insufferable dumb whores because the dating market and their own sense of self worth didn't allow for it. I assure you all pussy feels the same and everyone looks the same in the dark.
Maybe things will change over time. Maybe they won't. Maybe it'll take too long for it to matter for you. Bitching about it will only make you feel worse.
Women in real life do technically have the same options if they are online dating. The difference is that when they are online they are only starting conversations with men that they find physically attractive. They will choose to meet the most physically attractive man that is talking to them. It really doesn't matter what he says. And if they aren't completely ugly they usually have hundreds on men messaging them, if not thousands. That means that if you are not a top 5% looking guy or aren't clearly wealthy you're going to have a hard time meeting women from the internet.
When you meet women in real life it allows you to establish some kind of relationship. They still have to be attracted to you but knowing you gives them more to consider than just looks. There are women that don't use the apps. All women do care about more than just looks it's just that the apps create a situation where the only thing that can be known about the other person is how they look. They also create this unnatural situation where all of the women have a near infinite dating pool and the whole thing is done privately. For all of human history the dating pool was who you knew in real life and if something was going on between people their community knew about it. Everyone had a reputation and it would follow them. Now everyone is a stranger and every relationship can take place in secret and women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad ad nauseum. Most women probably do not clearly understand this but at least some of them can identify that they do not like the way online dating works, that it does not give them what they actually want which is a good man.
I know it is hard. Having an actual social life is more and more difficult the way people are these days. But that's the best way to meet women. And don't listen to people who say don't shit where you eat. You spend a third of your life at work. Opportunities to meet women in real life are too scarce for you to eliminate the workplace as a potential place to meet them. I met most of my girlfriends and my wife at work.
I caught the tail end of the dating sites that weren't based on the tinder model and it was the same shit as it is now, women refusing to interact, the only difference is instead of spending 2 minutes per night maxing out my swipes I would mass send opening messages but that didnt prevent me from being filtered by looks
>Women in real life do technically have the same options if they are online dating. The difference is that when they are online they are only starting conversations with men that they find physically attractive. They will choose to meet the most physically attractive man that is talking to them. It really doesn't matter what he says. And if they aren't completely ugly they usually have hundreds on men messaging them, if not thousands. That means that if you are not a top 5% looking guy or aren't clearly wealthy you're going to have a hard time meeting women from the internet.
basically the same as IRL, that isnt a difference.. You're pointing out a problem with female autonomy, not dating sites.
>When you meet women in real life it allows you to establish some kind of relationship. They still have to be attracted to you but knowing you gives them more to consider than just looks.
Looks are the lens through which all actions and words are judged through and personality is created through past experience. If women start with a negative first impression of me, view everything I do or say as weird and cringe due to my looks, and I have had an incredibly reserved, low energy and depressing personality beaten into me how exactly is any of that going to benefit me?
>There are women that don't use the apps
Because they have effectively endless options anyway.
>All women do care about more than just looks it's just that the apps create a situation where the only thing that can be known about the other person is how they look.
As I said earlier looks are a determining factor for how everything else is judged.
>They also create this unnatural situation where all of the women have a near infinite dating pool and the whole thing is done privately. For all of human history the dating pool was who you knew in real life and if something was going on between people their community knew about it. Everyone had a reputation and it would follow them. Now everyone is a stranger and every relationship can take place in secret and women are getting pumped and dumped by Chad ad nauseum
That doesn't matter when we live in a society where every woman can be assumed to be a slut anyway and most of them openly talk about the chad's they've fucked and sucked recently.
>Most women probably do not clearly understand this but at least some of them can identify that they do not like the way online dating works, that it does not give them what they actually want which is a good man.
Their idea of a "good man" is insane and their top priority is still looks, it's not online dating that's the problem, the core of the issue is female freedom and the evil society destroying idea that is romance.
>I know it is hard. Having an actual social life is more and more difficult the way people are these days. But that's the best way to meet women.
I can count the number of eligible women I've met through my social life on one hand, I'm not even averaging one meeting per year and many of them I never even ended up seeing again after the first introduction. If that's as good as it gets then I'm certain to die a virgin.
I could get really detailed but there's way too many variables for me to deal with in a comment. I don't know what you look like. I don't know where you live. I don't know your age. I don't know your career or your interests. Depending on all of those things you could be totally hopeless or you could be an easy fix. What I do know for sure is that your negative attitude is going to make any of those situations worse than it is. If you're a fat ugly blob loser whose main interests are video games and hating people over the internet and you refuse to change than you'd be better off embracing it and just resolving to see a pro sometimes. Maybe you're not a piece of shit but you're unwilling to compromise on your standards... Then you'll probably be better off just stepping out of the game. If you're not hopeless and you do want in... You're probably going to have to settle on one thing or another. Life isn't fair. You're not entitled to anything. They're are plenty of fat or ugly women that aren't insufferable dumb whores because the dating market and their own sense of self worth didn't allow for it. I assure you all pussy feels the same and everyone looks the same in the dark.
Maybe things will change over time. Maybe they won't. Maybe it'll take too long for it to matter for you. Bitching about it will only make you feel worse.