New here?
Create an account to submit posts, participate in discussions and chat with people.
Sign up
Having tried my hand at agriculture coming from programming, I think there are a lot of people who want to do something similar to what I did, and I think my notes might help someone.

I think the biggest thing is understanding that you are simply not going to be able to be 100% self-sufficient. The skills my ancestors had where they were able to build their own home, feed their entire family through the year, and produce their own clothing -- one or two people can't do that realistically, and they couldn't even do that back in the 1800s or even before. So just accept the fact that you won't be able to do everything.

If you're new to agriculture, there are a few things you have to understand. One is that there are virtually limitless opportunities to make food and money on land. It doesn't matter how many businesses you get running, you can always get 10 more running. If you have a short attention span and don't know how to stick something through to the end, this is bad. You need to focus on one or two things. Once those are working, then add things a little at a time. Don't try everything at once.

You need plenty of runway. Keep your job in the town, or get one working remotely. Even a little bit of cashflow can make a big difference. A lot of agriculture is investing time and money and waiting a year before you get a payout. Sometimes many years. Sometimes you are doing something not because you are going to be successful at it, but because you want to learn, and so you won't make money at it any time soon. Just budget your time and your money and keep the cash flowing as much as possible. Don't quite your day job until it is the most reasonable thing.

You need to learn the difference between managing a problem and solving a problem. IE, fencing. I can fix the fence and make it perfect, but that will take time and money I don't have. Or, I can make the fence "good enough" and save all the money and time in the world. "Good enough is perfect" is the rule of thumb in agriculture. Know what is important and what is not, and don't waste your time or money on stuff that doesn't matter. Maybe have a category of stuff called "one day" -- things that you'd like to do but aren't urgent or important. Stick things in there and when you get really bored and everything else is fixed take a few tasks off that pile.

Everything is a business. EVERYTHING. Marketing matters. Sales matter. Management matters. Cash flow matters. Congratulations, you are now an accountant, a lawyer, a real estate agent, a marketing professional, a salesman, a CEO, etc... You get the idea. Don't be scared of doing things you aren't used to. Just do it, see what works, adjust and try again. Don't be afraid to meet new people and make new friends. More people means more opportunities. A good firm handshake and a business card can make you a lot of money in the right hands.

One of my friends explained about property values. "If you sell your property at a high price, then you have to buy something else at a high price. If you sell when prices are low, you buy something else at a low price. So prices don't matter and doesn't make you any money." The only time you make money on property is when you cash out and retire from agriculture altogether. Otherwise, you're just sinking your money into an asset that you're never going to realize. So just treat the entire mortgage check as an expense you're never going to see. Don't pretend your property value means anything.

Let me explain this a little more: Suppose you buy some property on a loan and you work it and pay off that loan now you own that property. Congratulations. What are you going to do? Sell it? Then you are out of the business. Maybe you decide you want more land? Now you need to get another loan to buy more property, albeit less than you would've needed at first. But that money isn't going into your pocket. The only time you get cash out of a property is when you quit, downsize or move further away from the city. Otherwise, you're going to do what every other farmer does and try to get as much land as possible so you can make as much money as possible doing as much farming as possible.

Tractors don't make baby tractors. Don't invest in machinery. Figure out how to borrow or rent. Unless you want to be in the equipment management business, in which case every day your machine sits idle you are losing money when you should be renting it out.

Don't make friends with your animal. If Bessie doesn't make a calf, she has to go to the sale barn. It doesn't matter if your daughter grew up with Bessie, she is eating grass that another cow could be eating that would make you another calf.
You must log in or sign up to comment
16 comments:
12
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 12 points (+0 / -0 / +12Score on mirror )
Oh I forgot - keep a journal, review your notes often, share them with your family and ask them what they think. You have to learn from the past or you will keep repeating it.
CoreyAnder on scored.co
1 year ago 9 points (+0 / -0 / +9Score on mirror ) 1 child
Good for you for attempting it. The show Homestead Rescue is all about people that jump into it without planning.
The first season was the family helping mostly true homesteaders, the later seasons were normal people with a grand idea.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I figured out before I started that the idea of "homesteading" was mostly a fantasy that people would play up on social media for clicks and views. The people who actually do that sort of stuff are a different breed and would never be found online, let alone on social media.

I treated my endeavor as a business. I even put together a business plan and had a little slideshow to convince myself I wasn't being a complete idiot. I got my wife and family on board and made sure each one understand the essence of our business.

My long-term plan is that one day I will die and I want to leave proven, successful businesses that my kids can take on. That means they need to understand how they actually work. If I die and they sell all my land and assets, at least they will feed themselves for a few days, but that means I missed my goal of building true inter-generational wealth that can transfer to my great grandkids.
CoreyAnder on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
Good for you. Do you raise bees for honey? That seems like a good moneymaker after the supplies are made. I make my own mead, if i can raise bees for the honey that will be a good underground product to sell.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
Bees are an excellent way to make a little cash. There are so many benefits to it it's ridiculous. Plus they really don't take that much time.

The best part is you don't need much land to start with bees. You can probably find neighbors with land who would love to host your bees as well.

It's not too expensive to get started -- I think $2k is more than enough to get all the gear and a few hives.
TiredDad on scored.co
1 year ago 4 points (+0 / -0 / +4Score on mirror ) 1 child
Nice write up. I just wanna add that whatever you wanna do, DO NOT choose to raise fish first, until you know how to do it. Of everything, fish are very easy to die and you'll lose all the investment on them just overnight.

Try a few chickens or ducks first
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 2 points (+0 / -0 / +2Score on mirror )
Chickens are very easy to start with and there are tons of resources to help you learn.

It's also incredibly easy to find buyers for eggs or whatnot, compared to trying to sell half a cow or a lamb.
ValuesLiberty on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Good advice.

8 years in and still no tractor here.
Trasheconomy on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
My wife and I are working our way there. I am under no dissolution that I’ll ever probably get to leave a job. But we are hoping she can leave hers. It sounds like a fulfilling and challenging experience regardless of outcome. So just for that it seems worthwhile to try.
RibeyeConsumer on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
I've experienced most of what you've said and i think the idea that was the biggest eye opener for me is that you need a community, because you just can't do everything yourself. In the event of societal collapse you better make sure you're surrounded by trustworthy, like-minded people.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
Amen.
OftenWrong on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror ) 1 child
division of labour and the assembly line and industrialism is all based we just can't let jews manipulate the labour economy and need to share what work there is. no greed. the dutch industrial revolution vs the later jew ones after they tanked the dutch golden age by going there after they had their success ending it all
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 1 point (+0 / -0 / +1Score on mirror )
I agree to a point.

Too many people are working in useless jobs. We have forgotten what truly matters most. We have been divorced from nature and our own human natures.

Division of labor is a good thing, but we need to make sure we're not hiring a bunch of HR reps and internet marketing experts.
PolandCanIntoSpace on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
>"If you sell your property at a high price, then you have to buy something else at a high price. If you sell when prices are low, you buy something else at a low price. So prices don't matter and doesn't make you any money."

I'm gonna have to disagree with you here. Location makes a difference when buying and selling property. You can sell a flat in a major city and buy hectars of land somewhere else which has far greater usuablility. If you work remotely as a programmer you just need internet access, and don't need to live in a city.
MI7BZ3EW on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 ) 1 child
I'm talking about agricultural land. That sort of land is always the cheapest land you can find. Well, I mean there is cheaper land that can't even be used for agriculture.

Say I run a cattle business. I have 100 acres and I can put 50 cows on that each year. I want to grow the business, so I buy 100 more acres of pasture land and now I can run 100 cattle. See the issue?

If my land value goes up, so what? It's not like I can get any cash out of it without selling the land. If my land value goes down, so what? I wasn't going to use it as a down payment anyway.

If I move from one rural location to another, the land value will be pretty much the same. My 100 acres can be sold in Texas and I can buy 100 acres in Arkansas of similar land for a similar price. If I move further away from the city, maybe I can cash out $10, but really you should be far enough away from the city that moving further out doesn't lower prices anymore.

The only guys who make bank with agricultural land value are those guys who end up surrounded by houses or who retire.
PolandCanIntoSpace on scored.co
1 year ago 0 points (+0 / -0 )
It's not that cut and dry. There are many things that affect the value of a specific parcel of land other then just general inflation and the cost of land going up, or distance from a major city. For instance, my father bought some land in a place where there was a ski resort, did nothing with it and sold it for 7 or 8x as much some 10 years later. It went up because the ski resort developed and the land around it developed.

I know of farmers that had farm land that due to changes in the planning were able to convert it to residential land, chop it up into 1000m2 plots and sell it for *loads* more then they paid.
Toast message