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Me when I lie on the internet.
No, zionism doesn't come from marxism. Zionism does not come from hess alone. Marx did not even like hess at all after hess became a zionist. Hess formed his views from the same school that marx came from, the young hegelians, but marxism didn't even exist yet when hess formed his ideological viewpoint. Engels wasn't even a socialist yet at this point in time. They were contemporaries. Hess wasn't influenced by Marx, he already had his own ideals. They collaborated on a newspaper, that's the extent of their work together.
>The goal of Marxism and all the ideologies that come from it is the establishment of Jewish rule and enslavement or extermination of the Gentiles
Correct but also wrong at the same time. The third position is, tragically, influenced by or even rooted in marxism. But it takes the good from the system and tosses out the bad.
Furthermore, this is simply the goal of jews in general. They will pursue this through *any* system, not just the one that marx created. They also formed modern liberal capitalism and the modern banking cartel in the Netherlands in the 1600s, which is doing a damned fine job of establishing jewish rule (it already fully accomplished this a long time ago) and enslaving and replacing gentiles today.
The jewish worldview runs significantly deeper than what Marx wrote down. And there are ideals that are, in fact, more jewish than marxism that you can see every single day. Mainline orthodox Marxism is effectively dead in the water. We're dealing with something worse.
>The third position is, tragically, influenced by or even rooted in marxism
Do you have evidence for this?
Just because the communists co-opted various legitimate positions and more or less popularized them under a single name does not mean that every political philosophy that holds those positions is influenced by them. Them being communists.. That sentence ran on..
Communists never co-opted or fucked with third positionism, nor is third positionism communist. It came from a heterodox view of marxism in its own right. Some movements more than others.
Mussolini was literally a textbook marxist, in every single way in his early political career. He was booted from the Italian socialist party for advocating Italys entrance into ww1, among other things, and he became a bit of a political vagabond for a few years afterwards and absorbed multiple other ideologies into his worldview, and birthed fascism from this synthesis.
There were other contemporary proto-fascistic movements in western Europe at the time also, all influenced by marxism. Namely by georges sorel, a student of Marx who diverged very heavily from his original work. Mussolini was a *devout* student of sorel.
Georges Valois, a French precursor and contemporary to mussolini, was an anarcho-syndicalist who came under the influence of catholic integralism, and founded the Cercle Proudhon, which was a staunchly national, racial, and anti jewish movement. Also, influenced by georges sorel. Sorel's name is in every single third position movement *somewhere*. Valois founded the French fascist party le faisceau in 1925. He was in the extreme left camp of third positionism, ended up being a part of the French resistance and died in bergen-belsen (of typhus, naturally). But his influence on the overall ideology is palpable, and ironically it was another adherent of it that sent him to prison.
>every political philosophy that holds those positions is influenced by them
I would argue that every single political philosophy that holds these positions is, in fact, influenced by georges sorel. No sorel, no third position. No Marx, no sorel. Marxism is a double edged sword.
There's only a few options in the current post-industrial world for a working system. And only *one* option that is poison to the jews, and ironically, that option was birthed by heterodox marxists. Me personally, I'm not going to get into an existential crisis over it. The people who established third positionist movements did a damned fine job at removing the judaism from marxism and making something of it.
No, zionism doesn't come from marxism. Zionism does not come from hess alone. Marx did not even like hess at all after hess became a zionist. Hess formed his views from the same school that marx came from, the young hegelians, but marxism didn't even exist yet when hess formed his ideological viewpoint. Engels wasn't even a socialist yet at this point in time. They were contemporaries. Hess wasn't influenced by Marx, he already had his own ideals. They collaborated on a newspaper, that's the extent of their work together.
>The goal of Marxism and all the ideologies that come from it is the establishment of Jewish rule and enslavement or extermination of the Gentiles
Correct but also wrong at the same time. The third position is, tragically, influenced by or even rooted in marxism. But it takes the good from the system and tosses out the bad.
Furthermore, this is simply the goal of jews in general. They will pursue this through *any* system, not just the one that marx created. They also formed modern liberal capitalism and the modern banking cartel in the Netherlands in the 1600s, which is doing a damned fine job of establishing jewish rule (it already fully accomplished this a long time ago) and enslaving and replacing gentiles today.
The jewish worldview runs significantly deeper than what Marx wrote down. And there are ideals that are, in fact, more jewish than marxism that you can see every single day. Mainline orthodox Marxism is effectively dead in the water. We're dealing with something worse.
Do you have evidence for this?
Just because the communists co-opted various legitimate positions and more or less popularized them under a single name does not mean that every political philosophy that holds those positions is influenced by them. Them being communists.. That sentence ran on..
Mussolini was literally a textbook marxist, in every single way in his early political career. He was booted from the Italian socialist party for advocating Italys entrance into ww1, among other things, and he became a bit of a political vagabond for a few years afterwards and absorbed multiple other ideologies into his worldview, and birthed fascism from this synthesis.
There were other contemporary proto-fascistic movements in western Europe at the time also, all influenced by marxism. Namely by georges sorel, a student of Marx who diverged very heavily from his original work. Mussolini was a *devout* student of sorel.
Georges Valois, a French precursor and contemporary to mussolini, was an anarcho-syndicalist who came under the influence of catholic integralism, and founded the Cercle Proudhon, which was a staunchly national, racial, and anti jewish movement. Also, influenced by georges sorel. Sorel's name is in every single third position movement *somewhere*. Valois founded the French fascist party le faisceau in 1925. He was in the extreme left camp of third positionism, ended up being a part of the French resistance and died in bergen-belsen (of typhus, naturally). But his influence on the overall ideology is palpable, and ironically it was another adherent of it that sent him to prison.
>every political philosophy that holds those positions is influenced by them
I would argue that every single political philosophy that holds these positions is, in fact, influenced by georges sorel. No sorel, no third position. No Marx, no sorel. Marxism is a double edged sword.
There's only a few options in the current post-industrial world for a working system. And only *one* option that is poison to the jews, and ironically, that option was birthed by heterodox marxists. Me personally, I'm not going to get into an existential crisis over it. The people who established third positionist movements did a damned fine job at removing the judaism from marxism and making something of it.