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Well spotted. It's clear in the s.
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yep, this is an adult's handwriting not a K-12 child's
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3 is *actually* incorrect. The Soviet Union would have been forced to capitulate by the summer of 1943 without the infinite US lend-lease they got. If the US had stayed out of the war entirely, Germany couldn’t have lost.
Can be endlessly debated but the fact remains it was Russia that dealt all the major damage to Germany not the US.
Without Russia the US/Britain could have never invaded Europe.
Without Russia the US/Britain could have never invaded Europe.
> Russia that dealt all the major damage to Germany
With. American. Equipment.
With. American. Equipment.
It was definitely a team effort. Neither could have won alone. The US bombing campaign also diminished German industrial capacity somewhat and forced the allocation of 88s and manpower to defend assets far from the front. If the US didn't enter the war or Japan interdicted supplies entering east Russia we would have seen a US-Germany cold war instead of a US-Soviet cold war.
That doesn’t matter to the level you think it does.
Even without lend leass the Russian front was always going to be a meat grinder for Germany. Germany began sustaining big casualties from the get go.
Even without lend leass the Russian front was always going to be a meat grinder for Germany. Germany began sustaining big casualties from the get go.
>that doesn’t matter
All of the USSR’s first-class aviation fuel was supplied by the USA. Their boots and most of the uniform material, as well. Blue rubber for their tires, all of their aluminum, fully ⅓ of their munitions, over 500,000 trucks (all far better than the 200,000 the Soviets produced themselves during the war). Upgunned (76mm) Sherman tanks were a big part of the Soviet drive through the Balkans, where hundreds of them participated and had a measure of success. Aerocobras, P40s, C-47s, and A-20s (18,000+) all considerably assisted the Soviet war effort. Almost all telephone communication was over American phones. **The Soviets produced 92 railway locomotives; they got 2,000 through lend-lease.**
Well over half the Luftwaffe was engaged in the west from 1942-5, and 75% of German aircraft casualties were against the western Allies. Each U-boat cost 5,000,000 Marks to build. The Germans built over 1,000. A Panther tank cost 117,000 Marks, That means about 40,000 tanks were not built so that the Germans could wage the War of the Atlantic. Think 40,000 panthers might have made a difference against an unallied USSR in the East? Each V2 rocket cost, in labor and material, the same as 3.5 fighter planes. The Germans launched over 3,000 V2s. Do the math on that.
The British and Americans deployed over 20,000 heavy bombers against the Germans, causing great destruction. The Soviets never developed one. The Allies supplied 317,000 tons of explosive materials, including 22,000,000 shells–over half the total Soviet production of ~600,000 tons. Additionally, the Allies supplied 103,000 tons of toluene, the primary ingredient of TNT. In addition to explosives and ammunition, 991,000,000 miscellaneous shell cartridges were also provided to speed up the manufacturing of ammunition. In addition to military equipment, other wartime commodities were essential to the effort. These included 2,300,000 tons of steel, 229,000 tons of aluminum, 2,600,000 tons of petrol, 3,800,000 tons of foodstuffs, 56,445 field telephones, and 600,000 kilometers of telephone wire. The Soviet Union also received 15,000,000 pairs of army boots. Lend-lease aircraft amounted to 18% of all Soviet air forces–20% of bombers, 16% of all fighters, and 29% of naval aircraft.
There were also 10,000 heavy caliber anti-aircraft guns defending the Reich. Do you think those would have shored up German defenses in the East?
What would have happened if Rommel’s Africa Corps and the 30+ German divisions in France would have been in the don bend in fall 1942 protecting Stalingrad instead of waiting for British and American divisions to land? What would have happened if the 400,000 troops stationed in Norway could have helped Army Group North capture Leningrad? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the divisions fighting in Italy and the Balkans could have been freed to fight against the Soviets in the south? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the Allies out of France could have been sent to Bylorussia prior to Bagatron? The Germans were never really able to muster more than half their strength against the Soviets. They were fighting a *technological* war against the Brits and Americans that required a huge manufacturing effort.
*What fucking meat grinder?* Without the United States, the USSR wouldn’t have been able to get anyone to the front lines. They wouldn’t even have had boots.
All of the USSR’s first-class aviation fuel was supplied by the USA. Their boots and most of the uniform material, as well. Blue rubber for their tires, all of their aluminum, fully ⅓ of their munitions, over 500,000 trucks (all far better than the 200,000 the Soviets produced themselves during the war). Upgunned (76mm) Sherman tanks were a big part of the Soviet drive through the Balkans, where hundreds of them participated and had a measure of success. Aerocobras, P40s, C-47s, and A-20s (18,000+) all considerably assisted the Soviet war effort. Almost all telephone communication was over American phones. **The Soviets produced 92 railway locomotives; they got 2,000 through lend-lease.**
Well over half the Luftwaffe was engaged in the west from 1942-5, and 75% of German aircraft casualties were against the western Allies. Each U-boat cost 5,000,000 Marks to build. The Germans built over 1,000. A Panther tank cost 117,000 Marks, That means about 40,000 tanks were not built so that the Germans could wage the War of the Atlantic. Think 40,000 panthers might have made a difference against an unallied USSR in the East? Each V2 rocket cost, in labor and material, the same as 3.5 fighter planes. The Germans launched over 3,000 V2s. Do the math on that.
The British and Americans deployed over 20,000 heavy bombers against the Germans, causing great destruction. The Soviets never developed one. The Allies supplied 317,000 tons of explosive materials, including 22,000,000 shells–over half the total Soviet production of ~600,000 tons. Additionally, the Allies supplied 103,000 tons of toluene, the primary ingredient of TNT. In addition to explosives and ammunition, 991,000,000 miscellaneous shell cartridges were also provided to speed up the manufacturing of ammunition. In addition to military equipment, other wartime commodities were essential to the effort. These included 2,300,000 tons of steel, 229,000 tons of aluminum, 2,600,000 tons of petrol, 3,800,000 tons of foodstuffs, 56,445 field telephones, and 600,000 kilometers of telephone wire. The Soviet Union also received 15,000,000 pairs of army boots. Lend-lease aircraft amounted to 18% of all Soviet air forces–20% of bombers, 16% of all fighters, and 29% of naval aircraft.
There were also 10,000 heavy caliber anti-aircraft guns defending the Reich. Do you think those would have shored up German defenses in the East?
What would have happened if Rommel’s Africa Corps and the 30+ German divisions in France would have been in the don bend in fall 1942 protecting Stalingrad instead of waiting for British and American divisions to land? What would have happened if the 400,000 troops stationed in Norway could have helped Army Group North capture Leningrad? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the divisions fighting in Italy and the Balkans could have been freed to fight against the Soviets in the south? What would have happened if, in 1944, the German armies trying to hold the Allies out of France could have been sent to Bylorussia prior to Bagatron? The Germans were never really able to muster more than half their strength against the Soviets. They were fighting a *technological* war against the Brits and Americans that required a huge manufacturing effort.
*What fucking meat grinder?* Without the United States, the USSR wouldn’t have been able to get anyone to the front lines. They wouldn’t even have had boots.
You just give me a copy pasted response that I've seen many times. How much supplies and money has the US given Ukraine in these past 3 years? Are they winning? By your logic they should be destroying Russia.
What meat grinder? Have you even looked into the casualties starting in 1941 or are you just talking bs?
What meat grinder? Have you even looked into the casualties starting in 1941 or are you just talking bs?
Without Russia the communist jews wouldn't have had a homeland to wage a war from in the first place.
This is true. Normies would assume that the "cool" equipment like tanks and airplanes wins the war, and they would say that Lend-lease only provided 25% of tanks, 30% of airplanes etc. But the truth is, there were many items that the US provided over 90% of. For example: canned food. Without canned food, the Soviets would quite literally be unable to field their armies, doesn't matter how many tanks they have. Of course, if the US wasn't providing it, then the Soviets would try to produce it themselves, but they didn't have enough food production and industrial canning facilities to cover for the US. Plus, they would have to eat into other industries, lowering overall production of other items.
The US also provided 100% of the Soviet aviation fuel, without which the Soviets would have no air cover. On the Western front the Allies held air supremacy in 1944, allowing them to do the naval invasion in Normandy and destroying majority of German reinforcements before they even arrived to the front.
Germans would be able to do the same on the Eastern front without US aviation fuel deliveries to the Soviets.
The US also provided 100% of the Soviet aviation fuel, without which the Soviets would have no air cover. On the Western front the Allies held air supremacy in 1944, allowing them to do the naval invasion in Normandy and destroying majority of German reinforcements before they even arrived to the front.
Germans would be able to do the same on the Eastern front without US aviation fuel deliveries to the Soviets.
Wow the teacher and the student have the exact same handwriting.
That teacher really drilled the writing exercises into them.
That teacher really drilled the writing exercises into them.
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