I have on seldom occasion met a Christian who I agree with at any significant theological level. Any in depth conversation with these people nearly always ends with them calling me a Satanist.. in so many words. "I'm leading people from God, I'm making things too complicated, I'm ignorant, stupid, heretical."
Why?
Simply because I maintain that a Christian's foremost duty is to abstain as much as possible from sinful behavior. This throws these so called people of God into a fit. The Protestants are the worst of the sects. For a people who "don't interpret God's word," they sure do interpret circles around "if your right hand offend against thee, cut it off."
I now realize that what I am arguing against is not a logical theology. By a vast margin, people turn to God as a cope. They are unhappy with the state of the world, unhappy with their lives, frustrated with lack of success, seek healing and comfort. Perhaps I am guilty of this as well in some sense. It is an emotional adjournment as the result of some trauma. Yes, God will be your high tower. But what does Christ say to the rich man who asks *what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?*
The answer, *if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* So yes, there are terms on eternal life; Jesus lists various conditions multiple times.
However the average Christian is far from a zealot. This is a person who seeks one thing from God and to disrupt the uninvolved ease at which he believes the end is obtained has confronted his desire of comfort. He wants to sin, and by simply feigning ignorance of scripture he believes that he receives both the world of the flesh and the spirit. But what does Jesus say?
I came closer to the concept of what a deity could be. A simulation. You are the user, you run a simulation, and it plays out with an initial state over time. Now, a computer is quite powerful, so you can run many simulations and have them be played out at rapid speed. In that case, do you care what happens? If you have 500 simulations each with millions of data points? You may look into it arbitrarily, maybe to find some anomaly or bug.
Applied to real-life, this is what is possible: There is a deity that is not subject to space, time and possibly logic itself, as everything in the universe is, and the entire universe is created for an unknown reason (curiosity?) by unknown means starting and ending after a lot of time. Humans just happened to be one short-lived outcome somewhere in all of it - a little spark, only perceptible if you pay very close attention. Time is only a thing for us because we live and perceive time at a pace of 1 second per second.
In fact the entirety of the universe, where things actually happen, like planets forming, stars shining, black holes consuming, moons orbiting is a tiny spark, whereas the heat death and entropy is like 99%+ of its total lifetime. The good stuff happens in a tiny fraction of its lifetime - just like how an explosion is special for a short moment, and then it's just smoke. And what is actually relevant is the filament of the structure of galaxy clusters, or whatever pattern governs that.
To say "existence is a simulation" is selling it short, as if Earth is the main character. But why would it be? Given the vastness of the observed universe, how arrogant is it to believe that we are special? What if life on Earth is akin to mold on bread - are you excited about that? Life on Earth existed for 3-4 billion years, and 2000 years is 0.0005% of that. That's the time span where we are special to God, right?
Anyway, I don't believe any of this either. But it is more plausible than an omnipotent deity intervening in trivial parts of our lives. Of course this means muslims are retarded with their sandnigger pedo deity, jews are retarded to worship a malevolent fire deity, and streetshitters are retarded to worship... whatever the fuck they have. All of these religions are an extension of the general behaviors and cultures of people.
But people need religion. 95%+ do not function well without it. Somehow morality gets discarded without it, meaning of life too, the concept of honor too. There are a lot of benefits to be religious, but it is a luxury that requires wilful ignorance, and considering ignorance a virtue. The "I believe despite evidence" stance, or even getting emboldened by opposition. The process of rationalization - putting your cognitive abilities into work to make sense of the nonsense.
Whatever change needs to occur in our countries (extermination of niggers and kikes), Christianity has to support it. Or a new religion has to take its place that does. The absence of religion is poison to a culture, and jews latch onto it.
Maybe I am simple minded: I hate niggers because they are subhuman filth, I hate kikes because they are like malevolent demons that also haul in niggers, I hate faggots because they fell to degeneracy and spread it. I ONLY want to deal with Whites, everyone else (not Japanese) is some kind of garbage that is best exterminated. The ideal is to have entire planet to only consist of Whites. What religion stands for that? None.
It depends on the imagination. The scope of God can not be comprehended, but, there is a certain invisible bond which relates between creatures. For instance, if you read the "US Army Special Operations Sniper Training and Employment," it warns the operator against looking directly and intently at a person. This is because of a documented phenomenon called "gaze detection." An animal, humans included, can *somehow* sense another staring or stalking, without any sense being triggered. The "detection" can cause emotional distress.
This is one single example of a metaphysical bond between animals and this bond has such a range that recon and snipers are warned about it. The Almighty, who wrought the elements from nothing (breaking the laws of thermodynamics) may communicate with his creation through a similar manner. If the mere stare of an otherwise undetected animal can arouse anxiety, is it far fetched to wonder if the Omnipotent God could use the same invisible avenue to invoke certain emotions?
>Paragraphs 2-6.. Anyway, I don't believe any of this either
I won't get too deep into rebutting a hypothetical but....
>Humans just happened to be one short-lived outcome somewhere in all of it
And there is a reason for this. There simply must be. Consider the impossibility of what you are and what you are seeing. Literally what the absolute fuck is going on right now? Our Being is imbedded in this form, made of an uncountable number of microscopic things, *hosting* an uncountable number of microscopic things and because of this we are endowed with sensation??? We are born into this delusion and life is delivered because seed is placed into a womb?! Do you honestly think this is chance? That the dumb universe accidently brought this thing that I am, and the thing that you are, in to existence without reason?
>But it is more plausible than an omnipotent deity intervening in trivial parts of our lives
But you are that life. You are the main character, not the Earth. You see things via your perspective. The God, with never ending "computing power" also sees through this perspective. You design video games as have I.. Imagine a master script that manages all the NPCs. This script knows the x,y,z position of every NPC, it knows their health, knows what their next location is going to be, knows *all* possible locations they could go, understands the chances of them moving to any of those locations. It knows their abilities, it knows whatever "if" statements are associated with them, it knows what gear they are wearing and what stats they have. It knows their aggro range. It knows everything between them all equally. Not one is more significant than the other; none are overlooked. They die and spawn, but the master script remains. Without the master script, they are nothing. But without them, the master script is pointless.
>But people need religion
And there is a reason for this. Our souls speak of our Creator and our physical form listens.
>it is a luxury that requires wilful ignorance, and considering ignorance a virtue
This is true. I have abandoned science and have even gone as far to completely discard the theory of evolution. Willfully. Why? Because pondering this served me no profit but rather acted as a stumblingblock in discovering man's nature.
>Christianity has to support it
Christianity will never support it but there are no practical, honorable and dignified alternatives. Besides Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the Almighty God and any religion that seeks to abandon Christ has abandoned his Father.
It's probably a rare phenomenon and just the result of randomness. If a person is longer outside, and he is watched for a longer time, he is likely to look around and eventually see something. If I were a soldier, I'd be even more suspicious and careful about my surroundings. I don't think this has ever been properly tested, and it's just assumed.
> Do you honestly think this is chance?
No. A process (evolution) spanning billions of years can result in that. The actual question is how that even started - life must have emerged from non-life somehow, and the size of it was microscopic or smaller. But even here we have a survival bias - if it didn't happen, we wouldn't be asking why it didn't happen. Maybe it's a universal phenomenon we don't know about. Maybe we have a false perception of what "life" actually is - because ultimately everything consists of atoms and molecules. A car for example can move, but it's not alive - so is it something between non-life and life? What if we are just elaborate machines with the ability to move, regenerate and reproduce?
> But you are that life. You are the main character, not the Earth.
How do you know? Dogs are also life, ants too, bacteria too, viruses... are on the verge of it. Wouldn't it be arrogant of us to believe we are special only because we have the ability to think? What if black holes are the main characters, but are incapable to think? What if every being with sufficient intelligence to think considers themselves special?
This has no implication on my actual life btw. I exist, I have instinctual drives, I have purposes, biological processes make me feel good or bad - I don't care who or what the main attraction in the universe is.
> They die and spawn, but the master script remains. Without the master script, they are nothing. But without them, the master script is pointless.
That's a good analogy. That assumes life in general is an intended outcome rather than a coincidence though. Imagine a simulation in which you just want to test what happens when you have a certain set of physical rules and have a super-huge amount of matter in one place. And it immediately explodes and scatters matter and energy into every direction. But the matter swirls around and takes forms, and develops patterns. Then you grab a coffee and when you return it's the heat death phase where nothing happens anymore.
And after you return and wonder why the thing exploded, your physical rules somehow causes dust on planets, which orbit stars, which orbit galaxies, which fly through space, turn into microscopic things that behave erratically. And while you were gone, it changed form microscopic things into multi-cellular entities, which do things. After the host star is depleted of energy, all these entities just die out.
But even if you were there at the monitor, you wouldn't have noticed, because it's something so tiny in relation to the bigger things. Stars were already like short-lived sparks to you. If you knew, you'd be interested in it, sure, but you didn't expect life to occur at all.
> and any religion that seeks to abandon Christ has abandoned his Father.
Religions existed long before Christianity existed. The Greeks and Romans also had religions with multiple deities. The northern tribes believed in Valhalla. The concept of a singular deity as today was simply not what people believed in for millennia - they didn't abandon Christ or his father.
I grew up attached to the land. There's times I can feel when somebody is staring right at the back of my head. It's like an electric sensation. I really can't describe it but when I was young the "6th sense" used to be a lot stronger. I truly believe in it. Yes anecdotal but there is *some* science to back it up.
>A process (evolution) spanning billions of years can result in that.
According to whom exactly? We can only observe only our own reality and make conclusions based on this. Maybe we have never witnessed God's great miracles in a direct and ostentatious way. Is it therefore logical to say that divine creation is impossible? We also have never witnessed life emerge from the dumb, or for dust to suddenly animate itself in a manner that is inconsistent from its nature.
The only fact involving life is that we have never witnessed life come to form, therefore we can not possibly know how it started. All else is religion or theory. When I was an atheist I played with the ideas of pseudo-life and "life as we don't know it." I figured if we ever did *find* alien life that had formed itself by chance on a distant planet that it would be life based in another element than carbon. But this is a fairy tale.
>What if we are just elaborate machines with the ability to move, regenerate and reproduce?
This is exactly what we are.
>What if every being with sufficient intelligence to think considers themselves special?
Yes, this is my point. Literally everything which can contemplate itself is the main character. You are a direct extension of your creator. He sees everything you do, feels everything, hears everything, listens to your thoughts, understands your ideas. It is not overwhelming to a being with infinite "computing power" which communicates via an unobservable connection.
And although this seems like a theory in the same category as secular creation and big bang, I do not think it is and I suggest that the evidence lies in man's own nature. As you said "Religions existed long before Christianity existed." Man has always been driven to worship *something*. Why would our nature have us invoke the imaginary? Why would all human beings who ever lived seek the metaphysical? There is nothing else in our nature that would be as unproductive as worshipping something that doesn't exist. Every process has a definitive and direct point, whether it was endowed in Adam at his creation, or otherwise formed via evolution. Sometimes we have to search for the point, but it is still there.
There is nothing unproductive or strange about any primal desire that we have. The want of sugar, meat, water, sex, warmth, comfort, shelter, community, love.. They all have an overt and obvious reason. We need sugar, we need meat, water, sex, etc. Even birdwatching has a purpose. The average human throughout the ages is drawn to worship, regardless of location, time or segregation, because worship of God is the same as the want of water and sugar. Sure, there is Mt. Dew which delights the senses to those accustomed to it.. but it is a poison, just as the various heathenisms that broke off from the primordial Aryan religion were.
>Imagine a simulation in which you just want to test what happens when you have a certain set of physical rules and have a super-huge amount of matter in one place.
The interesting thing about your model is it somewhat relates to Christianity. There are 2 Gods in Christianity, there is the Almighty, who created all and the Christ which governs (this is the entity that became Jesus). The almighty is the man at the monitor who made the rules and gathered the matter together.. but unlike man he has the capacity to notice all things. The Christ is the script which ensures that everything abides perfectly by the design. In practical terms he is the laws of physics and nature but able to be personified and judges creation.
God knew every possible outcome. We're talking about a vastly incomprehensible force that wrought the elements from absolutely nothing and must exist both inside and outside of spacetime. He knew life would come to exist, and assuming life was some accident, the worship of the ultimate creator is still in our nature so he surely has taken a shining to us.
>The Greeks and Romans also had religions with multiple deities
That's a discussion for another time lol.
No, but if we go by the things that are "possible", we have basically limitless things that can happen.
> We also have never witnessed life emerge from the dumb, or for dust to suddenly animate itself in a manner that is inconsistent from its nature.
Because it takes a time that spans a multiple of a human life. We aren't even sure how pyramids were created, and that's relatively recent! Or how are moons, planets and stars created? There are good theories, but you cannot "observe" something that takes millions of years or more. And it's not like there is a progression bar that says "43% complete." The ring around Saturn for example *could* be a planet or moon in the future, but as of right now it's just a ring of dust or tiny rocks. The same goes for evolution - at every point in time all life forms MUST be viable (or "complete"), and must be able to successfully compete with other life forms to continue to exist. And at the same time they must genetically adapt, meaning technically all life forms are also in an "intermediate" state too.
> that had formed itself by chance on a distant planet that it would be life based in another element than carbon. But this is a fairy tale.
It's very well possible that it's impossible, and the only way for life to exist is if it's similar to what exists on Earth. But we don't know, and possibly can never figure out.
> He sees everything you do, feels everything, hears everything, listens to your thoughts, understands your ideas.
Well, that's a romantic idea, but there is no evidence to suggest that. Also 99.9999%+ of it is utterly boring. And here's what makes it... unpleasant: Niggers, jews, pajeets, faggots, maggots, bacteria, rats - does the same also go for them? Are they observed too? Or is there a threshold? If yes, what about race-mixers? What's the threshold for race-mixing? Are Orientals ok?
> Why would our nature have us invoke the imaginary?
Because it's more about ideas, culture, transmittable thoughts. Christianity is not just the idea of God, good and evil, and afterlife. It contains a lot of philosophical guidelines that are objectively good. Plus cultural elements, traditions, reasons for get-togethers - something that united people. It's better to have more tangible ideas than to be vague. For example it's more efficient to say "sin is bad" rather than explaining why committing crimes and amoral actions is bad on an individual and collective level.
Atheists can easily fall into the trap of abandoning philosophy and ethics altogether, and devolve into selfish, careless degenerates, who have no issues to commit to malevolence.
As of older and other religions, this applies too. It just took different forms - like having a chorus of deities, each dealing with their own section of life. Subhuman religions are obviously... different.
ALSO: Ideas in general are "imaginary." They are abstractions, but they apply to reality. So it's not a big step from thinking "rain is good for my farm" to thanking a deity for rain.
> The Christ is the script which ensures that everything abides perfectly by the design.
Interesting. So Christ is like the avatar of God? To bring up a video game parallel: In my space combat/exploration game the only way to even perceive the universe and its content is to have an editor-spaceship that can move at extreme warp speeds and is invulnerable. There are many factors involved like loading ranges and procedural generation - so it requires the game to run in order for anything to exist.
>The same goes for evolution - at every point in time all life forms MUST be viable
>you cannot "observe" something that takes millions of years or more. And it's not like there is a progression bar that says "43% complete.
Yes.. The logical process for Saturn's rings should be that the dust will continue to accumulate in clumps and eventually form satellites then moons because of gravity. But there is nothing that we can look at (that I know of) and say "this lifeless form is on the road to animation." All we have is the already living and the utterly unliving. So that leaves us with the "common ancestor" theory, which means that literally every instance of life on Earth emerged from a single manifestation of life.. which *somehow* managed to reproduce and proliferate itself.
It is one thing to suggest that a microscopic dust particle somehow become animated, but how could it have possibly evolved to reproduce in the course of it's life and what did it reproduce with? Frankly from a strictly logical point of view, religion aside, I think it's just as ridiculous of an idea as saying an omnipotent entity formed man from dust.
>Also 99.9999%+ of it is utterly boring
Maybe that's why God "shakes things up" lol. Life in the past wasn't so boring though. Famine, war and struggle were constant. If you think about it our ancestor's prayers have been answered for the most part. They prayed that their children would not see the horror of conflict or starvation and here we are.
>Niggers, jews, pajeets, faggots, maggots, bacteria, rats - does the same also go for them? Are they observed too?
Even the trees are observed. The planets are observed. The physical and imaginary are observed. They all serve some sort of purpose.. Some purposes are bad/ generally annoying (like jeets) and others good. God observes these things because that is one of the purposes of God. You were made in the image of God, consider how you feel when looking over your videogame. You probably made the antagonists the epitome of what you hate the most, but do you hate your own creation? When you see the plague that you created do what it does, are you utterly revolted by it or do you feel a misplaced sense of accomplishment that *you* designed it correctly, and it's fulfilled it's duty? Of course you don't want it to win. If it were to win, you'd probably step in and rewrite scripts to overcome it because the victory of the antagonist is not what you wanted.
I spent 2 years making a video game. That's why I like using them as analogies lol. I really think the way we manage them is similar to how God manages the creation.
>Because it's more about ideas, culture, transmittable thoughts
Every species of human worships the imaginary. We know that blacks and whites are distinct, but the Africans worship their imaginary devils. They had been separated from humanity for an unknown amount of time but they worshipped in the same, albeit extremely primitive, manner as the heathen. Same with various Islanders worshipping spirits. The chings worshipping ancestors, etc.
>Atheists can easily fall into the trap of abandoning philosophy and ethics altogether, and devolve into selfish, careless degenerates, who have no issues to commit to malevolence
These people worship self. They have deluded themselves so heavily they believe that they are God.
>Ideas in general are "imaginary." They are abstractions, but they apply to reality. So it's not a big step from thinking "rain is good for my farm" to thanking a deity for rain
Well it sort of is. It would be more logical to thank the clouds for rain and worship them since they are visible, instead of inventing something else.
>So Christ is like the avatar of God?
Yes, essentially.
When will your video game be completed? Sounds interesting.